Proposed spottail regulations

[TXFowler]

No they’ve spot tails. Take your gulf/yankee shit outta here. But honestly they’re a saltwater catfish that people target to feel better about themselves.

Gulf, yes. Yankee? Go fuck yourself.


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[TXFowler]

Bog, I'm curious what constitutes proof for you?

Data show a 25+ year decline in both trammel net and electrofishing surveys, there's peaks in year classes strength in individual years, but the overall trend is down and falling. Age and length structure of adult fish is declining, ie, the old productive spawners are not being replaced. Long-term guides and anglers are all seeing/reporting declines. A lot of anglers are reporting flats that used to hold several schools now have none.

What else would you need to see to constitute proof, I'm genuinely curious?

For what it's worth, this isn't the same problem we have with red snapper. The problem with red snapper population is the age structure is screwed...all the offshore surveys show a big increases in red snapper, no one is arguing that, but 50 years ago, there were 40+ year old red snapper, and now there's none over 10 years old. This age structure mismatch is why the assessment continues to show the population is overfished...completely different issue than we are having with red drum (although we are also seeing length and age decreases).

Again, keeping all the small fish means they aren’t getting big. Raise the slot and see what happens.


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[usrgce]

A few corrections for you....For the trammel nets, they randomly sample stations that have been sampled for 28+ years, all quality redfish habitat focused around quality shoreline/oyster habitat. So while random, the same sites are repeatedly sampled over time...it is random to prevent bias, as everyone running those boats would prefer to catch fish.

For the longline survey, similarly stations are fixed and repeatedly sampled over time, but selection of stations is random. That said, all stations are in areas where anglers frequently target, and catch adult fish. Both surveys catch plenty of fish...and no cable is used anywhere.

You sure about that cable thing?

[FEETDOWN]

I’d like to ask the people that are in this thread saying things like “redfish are just saltwater catfish” why you’re in this thread commenting on them if they’re so far beneath you?

PS - It makes you look even dumber when you argue about what different people choose to call them

Have a nice day

[JABIII]

I’d like to ask the people that are in this thread saying things like “redfish are just saltwater catfish”

Let's not insult catfish. They are actually good vittles...

[theoldblackdog]

Let's not insult catfish. They are actually good vittles...

Just cause you don’t know how to cook spottail/redfish/channel bass doesn’t mean they’re bad. I’m sure once you get around to publishing that cookbook there will be a recipe in there that will change your mind

[FEETDOWN]

Let's not insult catfish. They are actually good vittles...

I’ve never turned my nose up at redfish or catfish, but then again, I’m not a poet.

Just cause you don’t know how to cook spottail/redfish/channel bass doesn’t mean they’re bad. I’m sure once you get around to publishing that cookbook there will be a recipe in there that will change your mind

And OBD (for once) brings up a good point. What’s the story on the cookbook?

[Fish]

The inshore guides who attended the DNR Charter Summit last week at Haddrell's had very little to say about the changes. They were more interested in talking about hook type and size.

[scquackaddict]

How do you enforce hook type and size? If I’m sitting in an inlet bait fishing how does DNR know if I’m after spottails, tarpon, sharks, stingrays, etc. seems nearly impossible to enforce and enforcement wouldn’t hold up in court. Even if you caught one it would be argued as by catch after another species. Practical application fails on this one.

[TXFowler]

I’d like to ask the people that are in this thread saying things like “redfish are just saltwater catfish� why you’re in this thread commenting on them if they’re so far beneath you?

PS - It makes you look even dumber when you argue about what different people choose to call them

Have a nice day

Don’t remember anybody asking you


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[TXFowler]

The inshore guides who attended the DNR Charter Summit last week at Haddrell's had very little to say about the changes. They were more interested in talking about hook type and size.

Not surprising


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[TXFowler]

How do you enforce hook type and size? If I’m sitting in an inlet bait fishing how does DNR know if I’m after spottails, tarpon, sharks, stingrays, etc. seems nearly impossible to enforce and enforcement wouldn’t hold up in court. Even if you caught one it would be argued as by catch after another species. Practical application fails on this one.

They can’t enforce it, but based on their track record, they will do their damndest. No different that bait being used for hogs before it was legal for deer. Same as the original cell phone law, except DPS was smart enough to say they couldn’t and wouldn’t enforce because it was shit legislation. 1 per person but 2 per host is horse shit IMO. I’m good with one per person, leave it at that. All they’re doing is killing more trout and flounder.


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[duckcrazed]

You sure about that cable thing?

Quite sure...cable was used in 1993/1994, no cable has been used since.