Red snapper

[Calibogue]

I agree 100%! Recreational and Commercial ought to have the same access to the same resource and same limits doesn't matter whether you're selling it or not!

[Pass shot]

At a minimum ban the export of snapper

[b35w]

Here is the thing I struggle with...........
What actually gives someone the right to profit off a public resource? Don't get me wrong, I am a capitalist. I am not "anti-guide" as I have though many times about getting my license but when we come to a point where a resource is supposedly "unsustainable", why does it lean in favor of the commercial market? What right do they have to the fish that would exclude the private sector.

[DoubleSprig]

Why is it that we approach commercial fishermen differently than commercial waterfowlers?

[b35w]

Why is it that we approach commercial fishermen differently than commercial waterfowlers?

I would apply it across the board


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[centurian]

Season and daily limits and dates should be the same for all commercial and recreational.

[Duck Tape]

Why is it that we approach commercial fishermen differently than commercial waterfowlers?

Both contribute to over harvesting. The commercial fisherman sells the meat. It seems one step further but I get your point.

[fro]

Cooking red snapper tonight and it wasn't purchased from a commercial fisherman...

[Remy]

A. Federal waters.
B. The commercial fleet is a shadow of its old self.
C. MPAs are ONE of the reasons we have an abundance of RS
D. So If you can’t afford a $30k + boat you don’t get to eat RS? Sounds pretty entitled to me. What else you want to ban? No sale of beef unless you own a cattle farm? Banning
Sale of RS is perhaps the stupidest idea I’ve heard all year on here.
the commercial guys are scraping
Buy and pretty efficiently feeding the public on a cost effective scale, not getting rich doing it.

Raising cattle and commercial fishing of public waters is completely different. A rancher completely owns and raises their product. A commercial fisherman just takes from the resource without the real ability to replenish or manage it.

And yes I'm of the opinion that you're not automatically entitled to have access to every type of table fare. Not too long ago the only people that had access to fresh seafood were the ones that lived on the coast near a productive fishery. Why should Debra in Colorado be entitled to fresh RS? Interesting debate.

[FEETDOWN]

Getting Don Jr on the phone and POTUS involved seems most expedient.

That orange cocksucker isn't doing anything unless his kike overlords tell him he can....

[scdiver]

Actual recreational data would give us information. Right now it is all guesswork. From my understanding the last few years they are operating on 90-95% dead discard rate.
This means for every 90% of snapper you catch they count it against the quota.

Do they know how many are actually caught? nope. They guess and it counts against the ACL.

[b35w]

Actual recreational data would give us information. Right now it is all guesswork. From my understanding the last few years they are operating on 90-95% dead discard rate.
This means for every 90% of snapper you catch they count it against the quota.

Do they know how many are actually caught? nope. They guess and it counts against the ACL.

My biggest problem if your “data” shows there is a 90% mortality rate on discard, they are knowingly just completely wasting a resource.


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[ecu1984]

Who has Don Jr’s number. Need to get him in his dad’s ear and take care of the bureaucrats that came up with this nonsense.

Not Don Jr, but Eric Trump fishes in my little hometown trout hole several times a year with one of my closest friends.
Eric's wife is also from Raleigh and her parents still live there, that's her Dad in the pic with Eric and cuz.

Eric Trump Trout Fishing.jpg

[Saltydog235]

Actual recreational data would give us information. Right now it is all guesswork. From my understanding the last few years they are operating on 90-95% dead discard rate.
This means for every 90% of snapper you catch they count it against the quota.

Do they know how many are actually caught? nope. They guess and it counts against the ACL.

It's the same on a lot of species. Look at Snowy Grouper, 1 per boat, that's it, we're catching 20+ a trip and when they come up from 500' they're dead, eyeballs blown out, stomach out, swim bladder wrecked. Warsaw, same thing except much fewer and further between. Kitty Mitchell, over 5 trips we've had 17 boated, that's more than the same number of trips on the inshore stuff for BSB where we use to limit out on nice fish. Then you think that's one rec guy once every week or two, those commercial guys are doing this day in, day out. They're relying on algorithms, not actual catch data.

I pretty much adopted the philosophy that if it's dead, it's fileted. I'm not discarding the fish, hell they could conceivably charge you with wanton waste. In the end, the SAFMC doesn't want real data on any species, it would destroy the narrative they've built over the last two decades and wreck their power.

[Glenn]

The state of Florida has already solved this issue I believe.

But Florida has balls.

[cajunwannabe]

Why is it that we approach commercial fishermen differently than commercial waterfowlers?

Outstanding point!

Selling migratory waterfowl is illegal, selling the opportunity to slaughter 1000's of migratory waterfowl is legal. We now have the new modern day market hunter, except the harvest can only be "gifted" away.

[smitch320]

Cooking red snapper tonight and it wasn't purchased from a commercial fisherman...

Research

[SharkDave]

Raising cattle and commercial fishing of public waters is completely different. A rancher completely owns and raises their product. A commercial fisherman just takes from the resource without the real ability to replenish or manage it.

And yes I'm of the opinion that you're not automatically entitled to have access to every type of table fare. Not too long ago the only people that had access to fresh seafood were the ones that lived on the coast near a productive fishery. Why should Debra in Colorado be entitled to fresh RS? Interesting debate.

Much of the beef we eat is raised on public land.
Rec sector doesn’t provide much data. Doesn’t pay for very expensive permits to participate in the fishery, basically do not do a very dangerous and necessary job, for a living.
If you want to provide honest data, get ready for VMS, mandated, observer coverage, filling out lengthy, fishing reports before, and after every trip, having mandatory and up-to-date safety equipment, which everybody should have anyway. Be careful what you wish for.

[SharkDave]

Raising cattle and commercial fishing of public waters is completely different. A rancher completely owns and raises their product. A commercial fisherman just takes from the resource without the real ability to replenish or manage it.

And yes I'm of the opinion that you're not automatically entitled to have access to every type of table fare. Not too long ago the only people that had access to fresh seafood were the ones that lived on the coast near a productive fishery. Why should Debra in Colorado be entitled to fresh RS? Interesting debate.

A lot of cattle graze public land. If you want to keep more fish quit your job, get an expensive highly regulated and limited snapper grouper permit, you’ll need 2 for 1. VMS, fill out reports coming and going, take mandatory random observers, go to work in sometimes aweful conditions. Get boarded and harassed by green jeans or CG nearly constantly to make sure you’re in compliance. And then cringe when you see the sky high fuel prices take most of your profit.

[SharkDave]

I understand the cattle vs comm fish analogy wasn’t the best.