will the real paleo please stand up

[quackaddict]

Last I checked it was.

[marsh chicken]

Last I checked it was.

So I should eat vegetables....but not cabbage?

[quackaddict]

The point was, there's no reason to freak out over "hormone implanted" meat. It's a naturally occuring hormone. It has minimal amounts of it in the meat, and something like say, cabbage, has a few hundred times more of the hormone than this scary fraken-meat everyone is worrying about now.

But if you're too stupid to understand what I was getting at, the organic hormone-free grass finished beef is usually right beside the normal meat. And skip the cabbage as a side dish.

[marsh chicken]

The point was, there's no reason to freak out over "hormone implanted" meat. It's a naturally occuring hormone. It has minimal amounts of it in the meat, and something like say, cabbage, has a few hundred times more of the hormone than this scary fraken-meat everyone is worrying about now.

But if you're too stupid to understand what I was getting at, the organic hormone-free grass finished beef is usually right beside the normal meat. And skip the cabbage as a side dish.

I don't consider myself to be stupid. It could just be all the coleslaw and red meat I had for lunch.

[quackaddict]

I don't consider myself to be stupid. It could just be all the coleslaw and red meat I had for lunch.

Too much estrogen in your diet will cause your brain to no longer function correctly.

[marsh chicken]

Too much estrogen in your diet will cause your brain to no longer function correctly.

That's why women ain't as smart as men. That, and because their brains is smaller.

[quackaddict]

That's why women ain't as smart as men. That, and because their brains is smaller.

Intelligence that they build up is usually drained about once a month...

[marsh chicken]

Intelligence that they build up is usually drained about once a month...

intelligence and sense of direction

[SCWoody]

I like pop tarts!

[Stripa Swipa]

From a biochemical and nutritional stand point, you need protein. You need fats; animal fats. And you need cholesterol. Your brain cannot function without it. The system that is our body was designed to run on meat and fat and some carbs. Take away the grocery stores and the readily available access to non seasonal fruits and vegetables. If you broke your diet down to only eating what was seasonally available you would basically starve to death in the winter and early spring by following a vegan diet. Shit just ain't natural. In order to survive you will have to have a diet that consist of mostly protein and fats from animals. I'm certainly not suggesting you toss out your refrigerator and go all completely native. But our species survived and thrived on a seasonal diet of plants and a year round diet of meat and animal based fats.

This is an interesting discussion and some interesting points have been made. I'll use Glennda's post as my late segway into this discussion. I agree with the premise but I think the modern reality is a bit interesting. Our ancestors likely used the entire animal and therefore, likely had a more balanced diet nutritionally than the modern "paleo hipster" with their "clean" grass fed beef loins. The modern vegan on the other hand is likely eating beans and such that are much more complete proteins due to the number and variety of amino acids they contain. When you look at what biochemical processes happen in the brain, a bean is probably better for you than a deer loin. Our ancestors likely savored heart, bone marrow, liver etc over and above the tender loins. When a predator takes down a prey animal, they usually go for the guts first, yes? Here we are presenting ourselves as the enlightened hunter gatherers of the modern era and many have already said they are too squeamish to walk by the meat case at a small town IGA. I think we've got some work to do if the emperor is to keep his paleo clothes on.

[2thDoc]

you confused me a little but I hate to admit it.

I think you are saying something to the effect of: "we just cant compare diets of today to those of the paleolithic era" but then you went off and compared humans to wolves or something and lost me again.

The great "diet" debate really isnt very debatable. Vegans win. The rest of us that praise meat are just gonna have to find ways to survive.

[SCWoody]

If we killed and ate the vegans would that make us healthier?

[GBelly]

If we killed and ate the vegans would that make us healthier?

Depends if they are grass fed
I know a few...

[Stripa Swipa]

I'm saying that the argument for being "paleo" vs "vegan" would have merit if people were actually paleo. In other words, eat hearts, livers, tongues, nuts, bone marrow etc and then you might actually be getting a better nutrient mix than a modern vegan.

...and I was laughing at the fact that the modern hunter is too big a puss to eat most of what he kills.

Does that help? Want me to send the short bus to pick you up so we can discuss?

[marsh chicken]

I watched a lion eat the ass out of an elephant last night on nat geo.

[2thDoc]

I'm saying that the argument for being "paleo" vs "vegan" would have merit if people were actually paleo. In other words, eat hearts, livers, tongues, nuts, bone marrow etc and then you might actually be getting a better nutrient mix than a modern vegan.

...and I was laughing at the fact that the modern hunter is too big a puss to eat most of what he kills.

Does that help? Want me to send the short bus to pick you up so we can discuss?

I might still need some help...

I guess it helps that I eat liver pudding and there is plenty of snout and spleen in there!

Plant based diets show a much lower incident of cancer and a much higher life expectancy. I'm pretty sure that is what we are all after.

The paleo diet scares me only because of the average human's idea of what they should actually eat when they "think" they are on the diet. I agree that no one comes close.

[Stripa Swipa]

I think the move towards "paleo" is good but I liken it to having a good defense. You are getting off of the processed stuff that's the direct cause of some serious health problems. However, you need certain chemicals in your system for your body to perform it's functions. That requires an offensive strategy and its a bit more complex than thinking bacon is all one needs to be healthy.

I don't have the time right now but we can take a deep dive into epigenetics and an offensive diet strategy later.

[2thDoc]

I'm game.

[MolliesMaster]

I'm game.

x2

Bring on the knowledge!

Don't leave me hanging either, be there or be square.

[Glenn]

In the interest of full disclosure, Stripa Swipa doesn't kill enough stuff to have a valid opinion on wise use of resources from a modern perspective, much less a paleo one.