White House calls Israeli action an insult

[SCLAND&TIMBER]

These eggheads can't handle what is going on in the U.S. but feel the need to spend taxpayer dollars running their mouth and sticking their noses into something that isn't even our business. Obama needs to tighten his rein on that idiot Biden and his aides before he really screws up. When will they learn that there has never been peace, and most likely never will.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100314...20100314150723


WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 settler homes in east Jerusalem was not only an "insult" to the United States but "destructive" of the Middle East peace process, a top White House official said Sunday.
"This was an affront, it was an insult but most importantly it undermined this very fragile effort to bring peace to that region," said David Axelrod, one of President Barack Obama's closest advisers.
"We have just started proximity talks, that is shuttle diplomacy, between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and for this announcement to come at that time was very destructive," he said on NBC television's Meet the Press show.
Israel's announcement of plans to build the 1,600 housing units in mostly Arab east Jerusalem came March 10 during a visit by US Vice President Joe Biden that had aimed to encourage the first indirect Israeli-Palestinian talks since Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in Gaza.
Axelrod's comments were further evidence of the Obama administration's growing frustration with conservative Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Biden himself condemned the east Jerusalem building plan in a sharp statement issued in Jerusalem and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Netanyahu directly in a 43-minute phone call that the announcement sent a "deeply negative" signal about Israel's approach to relations with Washington.
Axelrod said both Biden's and Clinton's words reflected Obama's thinking, and he said he believed Netanyahu had received the message.
His comments came after Netanyahu, who has expressed regret over the timing of the announcement, sought to calm down what many in Israel see as the worst crisis in US-Israeli relations in two decades.
"We opened the papers this morning and saw the analyses and reviews," Netanyahu said Sunday ahead of a weekly cabinet meeting. "I suggest we not get carried away, and calm down."
"We know how to deal with situations like these, calmly, responsibly and seriously," he said.
But there was no sign Washington was prepared to let go of the issue.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Netanyahu's expression of regret was "a good start" but suggested that the Israeli leader had more to do to placate his country's closest ally.
In an interview on Fox News Sunday, he said that in her conversation with Netanyahu, Clinton outlined steps that the United States thinks he should take.
"I think what would be an even better start is coming to the table with constructive ideas for constructive and trustful dialogue about moving the peace process forward," he said.
On ABC's This Week, Axelrod said, "Israel is a strong and special ally. The bonds run deep. But for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

[pappy]

clinton, obama. biden,

don't have to live there. Israel offered peaceful co existence with palestine yet they harbor hamas the plo and lob rockets into israel at will. when israel retaliates the whole arab world condemns them . the Palestinians have no right to statehood other than what israel allows them. they are surrounded by arab neighbors ...... why don't they donate land for a palestinian state?

the arabs don't give a damn about these people they just want israels land.

pap

[GMAC]

Who has a "right" to a state? Nobody. Only those who can enforce such a right. Israel has no more of a right to statehood than the Palestinians, us, the Chinese, the Icelanders, the Basque separists, the Samoans.

[Mergie Master]

God gave that land to Abraham.

According to man the Jews may not have a "right", but according to God they do. And they have the might to hold it. No one will ever take it from them now that they are back in the land of their fathers. Countries will try, but just like happened in the 6 Day War, they will all get their ass beat down.

[GMAC]

All countries rise and fall according to the will of God.
Where in the Bible does it say that the Jews are now permanently ensconsed in the State of Israel? It is a pretty standard protestant doctrine that says that the term "God's chosen people" no longer means the Jews, but the saved.
If we know for a fact that Israel will beat back all challengers, we can save a ton of aid money.

[Geetch]

Man gave that land to Israel because of the Nazis. Israel only has the might to hold the land because of us. Without us, they would have been pushed out awhile ago. Since they have now have nukes, or are reported to, they can hold their own and I think would be zealous enough to use them if pushed.

In my opinion, their importance to us as an ally in the region has wained, there is no longer a threat of a soviet incursion into the oil fields, we have a relatively stable relationship with the Arab world, and Isreal is a regional destabilizer. I'm not suggesting we abandon them, but they should be controlled by us. We have ways of doing this. How would their military run without spare parts? What would we lose if they were defeated? Not much in my opinion, but the Jewish lobby would not be happy and therefore politicians would not be happy.

As for the Palestinians, Jordan expelled them long ago and no other Arab country is willing to take them in. They seem to be sort of the gypsies of the Middle East. Are they terrorists? Some are, but so are some Israelis. Let's not forget what the Jews did to the British in Palestine before they became a state. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

As long as we keep getting oil, I don't give a shit what happens to that region. They can kill each other for all I care. This ordained by God BS, is just stupid.

[Roddie]

Well put Geetch. I agree with you 100%

[pappy]

Man gave that land to Israel because of the Nazis. Israel only has the might to hold the land because of us. Without us, they would have been pushed out awhile ago. Since they have now have nukes, or are reported to, they can hold their own and I think would be zealous enough to use them if pushed.

In my opinion, their importance to us as an ally in the region has wained, there is no longer a threat of a soviet incursion into the oil fields, we have a relatively stable relationship with the Arab world, and Isreal is a regional destabilizer. I'm not suggesting we abandon them, but they should be controlled by us. We have ways of doing this. How would their military run without spare parts? What would we lose if they were defeated? Not much in my opinion, but the Jewish lobby would not be happy and therefore politicians would not be happy.

As for the Palestinians, Jordan expelled them long ago and no other Arab country is willing to take them in. They seem to be sort of the gypsies of the Middle East. Are they terrorists? Some are, but so are some Israelis. Let's not forget what the Jews did to the British in Palestine before they became a state. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

As long as we keep getting oil, I don't give a shit what happens to that region. They can kill each other for all I care. This ordained by God BS, is just stupid.

as mergie said..... the jews have the God given right to israel. they do have nukes and you can bet as a last resort will use them. they also have a cracker jack military.

the Chinese russians and the us all have a plan in place to defend/take the mid east oil.

lets not forget what the british did to the jews after world war II. 200000 of the holocaust survivors were were denied access under a quota system by the british to keep the arabs happy.

i do care what happens to israel. i will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you and divide your lands.

pap

[Roddie]

pap, with all due respect, what would you say if we had to give at least 1/3 of the land back to native americans? The written word of man can be easily distorted to their own cause

[pappy]

my people were mountain folk. so the blood of the cherokee flows in me. i might be a little biased. besides a few more casinos and the red man can probably buy the whole country from the chinese.

pap

[pappy]

didn't see your last statement. what written word of man?

pap

[Moatsy]

The Izzy's love the Evangelical tenant that the land is Holy and is innately theirs... it'd be like homies in the projects insisting to my bank that my mortgage need not be paid.

[pappy]

The Izzy's love the Evangelical tenant that the land is Holy and is innately theirs... it'd be like homies in the projects insisting to my bank that my mortgage need not be paid.

that's one bad analogy trap. it is theirs ...... it's only by israels allowing it that the palestinians are there at all. if the arabs thought they could remove israel then israel would have been gone a long time ago. they have learned through history that they get a butt whoppin when ever they try.(since 1948 anyway). it's so funny that the whole middle east and most of the rest of the world screams for a palestinian homeland. these oil rich countries have a helluva lot more land than israel and won't devote one acre to these poor down trodden terrorist harborers.

pap

[Geetch]

lets not forget what the british did to the jews after world war II. 200000 of the holocaust survivors were were denied access under a quota system by the british to keep the arabs happy.

And why wouldn't the British have done this at the time? The British were trying to manage Palestine and quell civil unrest. The Jews #'s rose from 11% to 33% of the population in 23 years. Why wouldn't the Arabs be pissed off?

Wouldn't you be pissed if say the US population of Mexicans rose that fast? But, I guess the difference is that the Mexicans don't have a God given mandate to take over our land.

[pappy]

Wouldn't you be pissed if say the US population of Mexicans rose that fast? But, I guess the difference is that the Mexicans don't have a God given mandate to take over our land.

yes and yes

pap

[Geetch]

that's one bad analogy trap. it is theirs ...... it's only by israels allowing it that the palestinians are there at all. if the arabs thought they could remove israel then israel would have been gone a long time ago. they have learned through history that they get a butt whoppin when ever they try.(since 1948 anyway). it's so funny that the whole middle east and most of the rest of the world screams for a palestinian homeland. these oil rich countries have a helluva lot more land than israel and won't devote one acre to these poor down trodden terrorist harborers.

pap

Last time I checked Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt don't have oil. Also, why should the Palestinians have to move?

If you want to only judge things myopically and discount the history or go by what the Bible says, there is no point in going further.

The Jews are not native to Israel, they came from Babylon, the flood story of Noah and the epic of gilgamesh are pretty close parables. So, you word of God is taken in part from a pagan belief system.

Now, to your point that the Israelis are the only reason that the Palestinians are in that land at all and that the Israelis can hold their own. This is only because of the US. Without us, they would have been gone a long time ago. But, we need oil and need an ally in that part of the world.

[Geetch]

yes and yes

pap

Your resolute belief is impressive to me Pap. But, I don't agree.

[pappy]

good nite yall......i wuz just a hangin here long enough for that squaw of mine to warm up the covers.

pap

[pappy]

talk to you latter geech..... that is if saltwater girl don't put you back in time out.

pap

[pappy]

Last time I checked Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt don't have oil. Also, why should the Palestinians have to move?

If you want to only judge things myopically and discount the history or go by what the Bible says, there is no point in going further.

The Jews are not native to Israel, they came from Babylon, the flood story of Noah and the epic of gilgamesh are pretty close parables. So, you word of God is taken in part from a pagan belief system.

Now, to your point that the Israelis are the only reason that the Palestinians are in that land at all and that the Israelis can hold their own. This is only because of the US. Without us, they would have been gone a long time ago. But, we need oil and need an ally in that part of the world.

sorry couldn't resist...... i am aware that some middle eastern countries don't have oil.but even those have land. what about jordon? they are the closest neighbor ...share the same faith for the most part. they want no part of em. discount history.....really? the old testament is a history of the jewish people. when they obeyed God he blessed them. when they didn't they were hauled off into captivity. the us may have played a part in israels development but they can pretty much hold their own now.

this last part is funny to me...... lets see now.... the u.s. needs oil and need an ally in the region. so lets pick the one country that the oil producing states hate the most. that kinda goes over like a turd in the punch bowl.

pap