Pouring corn vs planting corn - double standard?

[drwilly]

no malice in my post. was just genuinely asking your thoughts as GW.

i think I agree w your solution except that it would be hard to police. of course 100 bucks is chump change to some...rather than money make it more of an impact on their hunting rights...kinda like the points system except make it 1 and done.

[tradorion]

the thoughts i have come from a lifetime as an outdoorsman and a period of time as a GW.... my PERSONAL thoughts and opinions do not always coincide with official stances and issues...

My PROFESSIONAL actions on the other hand do indeed follow what is required- thus i may totally disagree with some aspects of some things.... but i do what the job and the law demand.

That is only fair.

[Rubberhead*]

Current laws do manage populations while allowing individual hunters to take game in some proportion to the amount of money, time and work they put into their craft - Rubberhead, February 8, 2010.

[Take em']

i always liked what an old GW told me years ago... "make it all legal and charge $100 for the first bird over and $250 for the next one then modify the legth of seasons and bag limits to manage the population NOT the hunter numbers"

I agree with this quote 100%, maybe a stiffer penalty, but the basic point is outstanding!

Current laws do manage populations while allowing individual hunters to take game in some proportion to the amount of money, time and work they put into their craft - Rubberhead, February 8, 2010.

Rewarded for your time and effort, I agree with and believe there are many that are willing to put this in. The money part is the kicker, not everyone has access to the means necessary to buy land (close to water) and build their own impoundments. Flooded impoundments will still have their success, and the public hunter can have a fair advantage as well.

[pappy]

the thoughts i have come from a lifetime as an outdoorsman and a period of time as a GW.... my PERSONAL thoughts and opinions do not always coincide with official stances and issues...

My PROFESSIONAL actions on the other hand do indeed follow what is required- thus i may totally disagree with some aspects of some things.... but i do what the job and the law demand.

That is only fair.

well....... there goes the corn hole.......dangit.

pap

[tradorion]

hmmmmmmm- i know ALOT of people that put very little work into it but just have the born (or sometimes earned) advantage of money.....

and i know some river rats that bust their assssss putting there time in but can't pull a duck off that water added to corn pond to save their ass.

[jwilliams]

Capitalism. you take the good with the bad. Too bad Politics mergered with capitalist. There should definitely be a separation between the bank and the state.

[Rubberhead*]

Capitalism. you take the good with the bad. Too bad Politics mergered with capitalist. There should definitely be a separation between the bank and the state.

Funny you said that. Here's a quote of mine from the old SDH days (probably 10 years ago. I keep it in a Word document for future reference)

Duck hunting is like Capitalism - The return you get is proportional to the amount of work, time, effort, capital, and smarts you put into it (with certain component of luck just to make it interesting). Like Capitalism, good duck hunting can also be inherited. I don’t have any problems with that.

There are those, however, that would give us the Communist version of duck hunting – Prepare places for us to mindless march to, hunt on those days when the State allows us to, crowd us into smaller and smaller areas where abilities and skills are neutralized, create a scenario where we have to depend on the State for the basic necessities making everyone “equal” and experience meaningless, all the while the self-imposed “leaders” collect more and more for themselves while telling us how much they are doing for us.

Give me wide open spaces, the freedom to think and live and labor, and I’ll kill my share of wild ducks and have fun doing it.

[drwilly]

Funny you said that. Here's a quote of mine from the old SDH days (probably 10 years ago. I keep it in a Word document for future reference)

very well said.

[Rubberhead*]

hmmmmmmm- i know ALOT of people that put very little work into it but just have the born (or sometimes earned) advantage of money.....

and i know some river rats that bust their assssss putting there time in but can't pull a duck off that water added to corn pond to save their ass.

The guys that plant or manage impoundments support hundreds of thousands of birds in SC each winter. They take more than the average guy, but, proportionally give back more than they take. I’m not only fine with that; I’m glad they do it.

I only get ornery when they start telling me how, when, and where I’m going to hunt. I’ve said it before - they have their ways; I have mine.

[BigBrother]

Perhaps you are saying that politicians shouldn't be running the biologist/management side of our natural resources? Pipe dream to let the actual biologist run it.

Ahem.

I have often wondered, that since our GA already runs many of the biological decisions in this grate, (intentionally mispelled) state, why they want to pay someone to do it...

Pimps and prostitutes...

***edit***

Trad is my nominee to fill the next WAC vacancy.

[tradorion]

Not a bad quote.... but i am not a fan of the other guy's "birthright" being the ability to control the ducks that are supposed to be ALLLL OF OURS

[SC quacker]

I still dont understand why top sowing wheat isn't a normal ag process. When we still had our dairy farm we top sowed wheat all the time and covered it with the drag harrow. Oh well, shit changes everyday.

Cover it and you are still fine.

[Take em']

I don't think you can call it communist duck hunting because you allow baiting, or even planting on public land. Typical rich man mentality, we don't have it, well, we'll just buy it.

[Rubberhead*]

I don't think you can call it communist duck hunting because you allow baiting, or even planting on public land. Typical rich man mentality, we don't have it, well, we'll just buy it.

That quote was written for a discussion about turning public areas surrounding private impoundments into WMAs, not for the corning debate. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

[sprigdog]

yes.

[Take em']

Okay Rubberhead...I can agree with that.

[walt4dun]

It is seems to me that hunting and fishing in its most basic sense involves the use of bait. One should be able to accept that and still be able to sleep soundly at night or perhaps your in the wrong sport.

Animals live and die on their stomachs, and in certain times of the year, their desire for some lovin’. So we as hunters try to intercept them as they go to do one or the other – be it hunting in an oak flat (using the oak trees as bait), hunting in a duck pond (using the corn as bait), or making sweet hen turkey music (using the hen as bait).

Somewhere along the line “baiting” got a negative connotation. I don’t think it should be a bad word.

[trash2]

planting corn is beneficial to the duck populations. they have areas of food they can eat without being consistently molested. the corn is standing as we speak so the birds can have the energy to begin their short trip back to the north. it is there before and after the season often providing the birds with a resting place. people that cater to ducks do not shoot them often and therefore typically have better than average hunts. dumping corn does nothing but benefit the individual and allows them to meticulously lure birds into an area that they would otherwise pass by whereas planting still provides much more of a "fair chase" hunt by providing an entire area for the birds to choose from. if we didnt plant as we do i guarantee the numbers of birds in this state would not stay as high as it is. corn fields also feed numerous other wildlife animals other than just ducks.

[duckduckdog]

The only flaw in your duck hunting vs. capitalism comparison is that in a capitalistic society, the small business owner (public hunter) would be able to begin providing the same product (corn) in his limited area of the market. If the consumer (duck) liked his advertising better, then the consumer (duck) could begin giving his business to the small business owner (public hunter). However, as it stands, the law prohibits competing food sources and thus provides what some may percieve as an monopoly (or at least limited competion between corn ponds) to the corn pond association....Pure capitalism would allow the small business owner (public duck hunter) the ability to conduct his business (duck hunting) free from government interference.