Cut then spray or just spray it?

[jwterry3]

Got a paperland lease we are trying to get some smaller plots going on…..tough ground. We have planted some rye/clover in here that did ok…….this winter I hammered it with lime and fertilizer….pic is what it looks like now.

We will prob plant fall plots around 9-1 Weather depending.

Would you cut it down to see whats underneath and then spray to prepare for fall planting? or just spray it hard now and not worry about it?






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[Chuck the Duck Slayer]

goats are the answer

[Slaya]

Ideally, I would mow, let them recover briefly, spray to burndown using glyphosate and 2-4d with crop oil or surfactant. Wait two weeks, no-till drill plot, enjoy OR, if conventional till - disk, smooth seedbed, spread seed and culti-pack or conventional drill, enjoy. Just mowed the home plots over the weekend, once the rain passes, I'll drill in a summer mix or chufas and spray. Fall plots will be drilled into standing and I'll decide what to do about summer crop at that time.

[Sasha and Abby]

Spray, Disc around it and light it up. Then you have a nice seed bed that a LIGHT drag harrow will have in good shape.

[AnythingFeathers]

Spray good now, ideally I would burn it when died out, but timber company would probably frown on that. Wait a few days and mow. The gly will have gotten to roots in couple hours. That grass is so tall that it will probably mat up and you won’t get spray on stuff under matted areas if you mow first.
Let grow for a week or 2. Spray again.
Them do what ever you would normally do to plant.

[jwterry3]

Yeah timber companies arent big on the fire/burns.

[Huntinjunkie]

I would spray it with gly the middle of August the 2 weeks later sow oats rye and clover into it then mow. The thatch will hold in the moisture and I would recommend a soil test. You may be giving it what it doesn't need.

[tprice]

We have done it both ways, can not really tell much difference to be honest but we like to cut first and then spray

Just seems like it cuts better green than dead to us

[smitch320]

Word of advice, check with the company you lease to see if there is any pending timber sales in areas that may be some of these areas you are wishing to plant. I would hate to see a lot of hard work and effort go into this and it be utilized for a log deck in 3 months...Just a thought. I've seen it happen an awful lot. They potentially could save you some heartache.

[Model12]

I have 2 good stands of Brown Top..............What I did was a burn down with Glypsolate.......24D......Crop oil and liquid nitrogen.......When all had turned brown......I spread Brown Top on it......Then I bush hogged it close to the ground.....The 2 patches look good and I didn't have to disturb the soil which would encourage new weed growth.

[DRDUCK]

Looks like pretty good Quail habitat to me but I would need a broader pic

[UPSTATEWATERFOWLER]

I would mow it now, let it sit a few weeks, then spray the new growth. If you have a no-till, I’d drill it around a rain event near Labor Day. You probably need lime and fertilizer but you are late with the lime.

[UPSTATEWATERFOWLER]

Model12 - Interested in your method. Have you ever tried this with brassicas?

[Huntinjunkie]

I would mow it now, let it sit a few weeks, then spray the new growth. If you have a no-till, I’d drill it around a rain event near Labor Day. You probably need lime and fertilizer but you are late with the lime.

He could use fast acting lime

[camotoon60]

Yes it will work with brassicas and clover In my trials, even cool season grains, just need rain to keep it moist enough for it to germinate. The smaller seeds seem to do better on top the soil than larger seeds in my experience. The clippings and mulch help to hold some moisture by covering the soil, also help protect the young seedlings from heavy downpours

[AnythingFeathers]

Yes it will work with clover and brassicas with the no till. The only reason I do the spray then mow( you can mow after 2 days to get a better cut) spray again is that I found when I mowed first, I had more crap growing in the matted areas come spring. I don’t know what is about about matted grass that promotes Johnson grass but it does.

[Duckman#1]

Spray it. Better coverage means better kill

[Sasha and Abby]

I have 2 good stands of Brown Top..............What I did was a burn down with Glypsolate.......24D......Crop oil and liquid nitrogen.......When all had turned brown......I spread Brown Top on it......Then I bush hogged it close to the ground.....The 2 patches look good and I didn't have to disturb the soil which would encourage new weed growth.

Are you getting as good a coverage this way as you do with discing and then planting? I wouldn't think you would. Considering this for purple tops...

[LabLuvR]

You definitely need to Bushhog then wait a week or so and spray it. The vegetation is way too tall to apply a herbicide now.

[Fat Lab]

"Throw & Mow" method. Spray a non selective burndown, seed into dead/dying standing cover and mow(bush hog) so it lays thatch down on top of seed.