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    Quote Originally Posted by JABIII View Post
    Heard about this yesterday when the folks at DNR were watching it live. Now it is a problem?

    Deer-hunting dogs make life miserable for rural property owners, SC agency told By Sammy Fretwell Updated June 5, 2026 9:15 AM Gift Article Hunters who use dogs while stalking deer are increasingly in conflict with rural landowners, who say deer-hunting dogs are overrunning their land and causing a nuisance Sammy Fretwell/The State Virtually every Saturday during the fall, Rick Baturin watches dogs rush onto his land from nearby hunting grounds in Colleton County. The canines leave areas where sportsmen are using them to stalk deer and enter his property, an annoyance with potentially dangerous implications that has left Baturin frustrated after years of complaining to South Carolina’s wildlife department. TOP VIDEOS The video player is currently playing an ad. You can skip the ad in 5 sec with a mouse or keyboard “My property rights get trampled every Saturday and holidays,’’ he said. “I have two little kids. My kids can’t be out there because at any given time, there are a dozen unknown dogs coming through my property. I can’t take that risk and have my family out there.’’ Baturin is among a group of rural landowners urging the state wildlife agency board to support tighter regulation of sportsmen and the dogs that hunters use to pursue deer. The main complaint is that dogs are getting off established hunting property and running loose on other people’s land, sometimes with gun-carrying sportsmen right behind. Critics spoke to the agency’s board Thursday, June 4 in Columbia. South Carolina has some laws that could address the problem, but critics say those rules are either too weak or are not being enforced. Baturin is a member of the Property Protection Alliance, a group formed last year to address the issue of hunting dogs that trespass on private land. The group says it doesn’t want to ban all uses of dogs to hunt deer – but its website says it is “committed to ending irresponsible practices.’’ Not only do deer hunting dogs disrupt the peace, but they interfere with hunters who are not using dogs to stalk game, the group says. The group says dog deer hunters sometimes release “excessive numbers’’ of the animals on small tracts, which opens the door for the canines to get off the property and onto other folks’ land. The issue has caused tension for more than 40 years in South Carolina, a state where traditional uses of land are increasingly at odds with growth. But attempts to resolve conflicts haven’t worked, the wildlife board was told. While lawmakers approved a bill at one point that was supposed to address the issue, it hasn’t fixed the problem, said Baturin and alliance president Jodi Howard. Both said they’re often the victims of unscrupulous hunters who don’t respect the property rights of others during the fall hunting season, which ends in January. Baturin said unruly hunters have shot at him and dumped trash on his land when he has complained. “On any given Saturday, we have dogs on our property all throughout the course of the day,’’ Howard, who lives in Sandy Run and owns land in the Lowcountry, told the board. “We have trucks running up and down the road. We have dog hunters shooting on our property. We have land on both sides that turns dogs out on our property.’’ The Department of Natural Resources intends to hold a series of meetings on the issue and send a report to the Legislature for consideration in 2027. It’s possible such legislation could include tough fines for hunters who let dogs stray onto other people’s property, or it may contain restrictions limiting deer dogs to larger tracts of land. But what exactly that will say is far from being determined. Many hunters who use dogs to track deer say they’re only doing what South Carolina sportsmen have done for generations. They are hesitant to support more oversight as a result of problems they say are caused by unethical hunters. Using deer to hunt dogs occurs only in the state’s coastal plain. The practice is not allowed in the Upstate for reasons that are not clear. “Those who violate the law should be held accountable,’’ said Paul Caskey, president of the S.C. Sporting Dog Association. “However, it is important that the actions of a few bad actors not define an entire hunting tradition or shape policy in ways that overlook the overwhelming majority of responsible hunters who follow the law.’’ DNR staff member Jay Cantrell said the conflicts date to at least 1985, and have surfaced every few years since then. The wildlife agency board in 1994, trying to resolve the dispute, said it continued to support hunting deer with dogs if done legally and ethically. Deer hunters were encouraged to work with the agency, Cantrell said. In 2008, the Legislature asked the Department of Natural Resources to hold meetings and propose a solution based on those sessions. By 2010, the Legislature passed a law called the Renegade Hunter Act, which was a first. But Cantrell said “it was not a perfect law’’ and the dispute flared up again. Multiple bills in the Legislature have since gone nowhere. Cantrell said DNR staff members have no official position on how to settle the conflict, but they are willing to work on the issue some more. South Carolina is growing and changing, and land-use conflicts are becoming more common, he said. “Although these challenges and issues have not changed much over the years, our state has changed significantly,’’ he said. “We’ve had tremendous population growth, increased development, land tract sizes have shrunk. There are just more competing and conflicting land uses out there.” Critics say the state needs tighter regulations, but the DNR could more aggressively enforce laws that exist now. “I’ve called DNR for 20 years, and there’s been one ticket written,’’ Baturin said. This story was originally published June 5, 2026 at 7:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto Duck View Post
    It is BEYOND FUCKED UP, that we have laws concerning hunting or trespassing even, in this state that will not allow me to float on water that rises over and recedes off of your land but also allows or turns a blind eye to the idiocy of running a pack of dogs on a small piece of property resulting in trespassing to collect dogs and dogs fucking up other landowners’ hunts on their own lands. I’m for hunting with dogs, if you control the dogs. They can fix this by putting minimum 1000 acres in one tract requirement to run deer with dogs and penalties let’s say fir repeat offenders if dogs get off that property. . Or just require the whole damn track to be fenced in if you want to run dogs like your grand dad and great granddad did. Why this remains an issue is completely ridiculous.
    For you to mention a 1000 acre limit should be required means you either hunt in ga or think they have it all figured out, or you have NEVER hunted with or next to a club that has control of their dogs.

    We can make 4-5 dog drives on a 500 acre tract and unless the neighbors hear us or look at the damn schedule we give them they never know we are there.

    The only fix is continuing to punish the dog hunters that are causing problems. Will it take time yes. Do some of yall have to be burdened Lil bit longer because of foolishness yes, has more and more people gotten on board with gaining control of the deer dogs yes.

    I offered maybe last year or year before anyone that wanted to come visit with us that doesn't believe you can hunt small acreage tracts with dogs and keep dogs on property they have permission to be on and NOT (1) of you that has all the answers NEVER took the time to come see it for yourself.

    This is my 14th year of having complete collar broke dogs. Our entire club has been that way for 8 years

    We didn't get that way overnight but as club president I pushed for it because I saw the results personally and now every one of our dog men will tell you they ain't hunting any other way.

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    I hunt in Elloree. Lots of small and large tracts. The one main dog group in the area that hunts all around us is somewhat respectable. They used to wait until thanksgiving to start running. It has gotten earlier every year for the last several years and now starts at the end of October. They have people coming from Charleston and paying to hunt for the day. Within two weeks of them starting our deer sightings drop by over 60%. The deer go more nocturnal and stay in cover. I love watching deer in the fields but have to change to hunting in the woods to see much. They shoot anything no matter how small. It sickens me.


    We still have to deal with the renegades too.


    I have been on a dog drive and it was fun until I watched every fawn that came out shot.


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    The easiest way to fix it and still allow it is to outlaw walker/foxhounds.........and allow only dachshunds to be used for running deer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catdaddy View Post
    The easiest way to fix it and still allow it is to outlaw walker/foxhounds.........and allow only dachshunds to be used for running deer.

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    First off…if you can’t keep up with the dogs with today’s technology, then you aren’t trying to. This makes you a renegade. The renegades need to be dealt with. Same as some on here. We have 5 packs only and don’t allow visitors to bring dogs. All of our packs are collar conditioned and we can stay on 400 acres all day if we chose to. The part that sucks is we are beside a piece of of crap club that lets their dogs run all over everyone. The locals know who is who, but they have run all over my clubs property before we can even hunt it. I get it. Game wardens have caught them and ticketed them. When they get to court (if it get there), they get a slap on the wrist and are back at it. Don’t punish the good ones. Makes the consequences severe for the violators. As a president of a club that does it right, I can say that most doggers that do it the same way would support severe punishment for the lowlife pieces of crap that don’t care. The sad reality is those Pieces of Crap would still be the ones turning dogs loose with no collars or stolen collars and still find ways to be renegades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 1/2" MAGUM View Post
    You are not wrong. I feel limiting hunting/fishing/public access in any way, is a bad idea. There are so many (and growing) that want to take all of it away. I keep waiting to hear that part of FMNF is being sold to developers from Charleston.
    There is no one in this thread suggesting limiting hunting/fishing/public access to property where you have the right to hunt. No one. The limits being suggested are absolute common sense. Do whatever is legal/moral/ethical on your land, and land where you have access. The moment your tradition moves onto my property, you are breaking the law. You have no right to infringe upon my enjoyment of my property, and it is on YOU to monitor and control that.
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    1) I don't want to lose the dog hunting bunch has legislative allies when they come for me but I do wish they took their own PR more seriously.
    2) Dogs regularly run more than two-and-a-half miles from the closest dog club, through the still-hunt-only neighbor into our still-hunt-only place. I expect this on a Saturday and kind'a plan for it.
    3) When it happens on a Tuesday in mid-October, it gets pretty tiring.
    4) My only solution is to limit dog hunting to Saturday's only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberhead* View Post
    1) I don't want to lose the dog hunting bunch has legislative allies when they come for me but I do wish they took their own PR more seriously.
    2) Dogs regularly run more than two-and-a-half miles from the closest dog club, through the still-hunt-only neighbor into our still-hunt-only place. I expect this on a Saturday and kind'a plan for it.
    3) When it happens on a Tuesday in mid-October, it gets pretty tiring.
    4) My only solution is to limit dog hunting to Saturday's only.
    Yet another opinion that limits the clubs that ARENT the problem.

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    Why turn loose 47 when 3 can get the job done with ease?

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop 13 View Post
    Yet another opinion that limits the clubs that ARENT the problem.
    Porkchop, it's you and the others that "aren't the problem" that need to step up and ask for changes for the ones that are a problem (solutions, laws, whatever you want to call them). There's not many more fun and exciting things than listening to a pack of hounds on a hot track when they are where they are supposed to be. There's not many more aggravating sounds than a pack of hounds that is running where they AREN'T supposed to be. Unfortunately, large tracts in SC are being divided at a rapid pace. Things are changing and it's getting less and less conducive to running deer with dogs. It's only a matter of time before changes are made. The response that it's tradition or "dogs can't read Bo" isn't going to cut it anymore and your voice of reason needs to be heard if you want to keep your sport of hunting deer with dogs alive, but you are going to have to be reasonable and understand that there is a large (and growing) group of people that are doing it the wrong way and are causing a problem. It is going to be addressed sooner than later!

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    How am I supposed to lease land to guys from Florida with all of this mess going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop 13 View Post
    Yet another opinion that limits the clubs that ARENT the problem.
    Sorry but that's what happens when other people have to solve problems that should have already been taken care of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberhead* View Post
    Sorry but that's what happens when other people have to solve problems that should have already been taken care of.
    Yessir......And, unless you do, it's gonna go poof and be gone!
    Police your own if you wanna preserve this awesome tradition!
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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop 13 View Post
    For you to mention a 1000 acre limit should be required means you either hunt in ga or think they have it all figured out, or you have NEVER hunted with or next to a club that has control of their dogs.

    We can make 4-5 dog drives on a 500 acre tract and unless the neighbors hear us or look at the damn schedule we give them they never know we are there.

    The only fix is continuing to punish the dog hunters that are causing problems. Will it take time yes. Do some of yall have to be burdened Lil bit longer because of foolishness yes, has more and more people gotten on board with gaining control of the deer dogs yes.

    I offered maybe last year or year before anyone that wanted to come visit with us that doesn't believe you can hunt small acreage tracts with dogs and keep dogs on property they have permission to be on and NOT (1) of you that has all the answers NEVER took the time to come see it for yourself.

    This is my 14th year of having complete collar broke dogs. Our entire club has been that way for 8 years

    We didn't get that way overnight but as club president I pushed for it because I saw the results personally and now every one of our dog men will tell you they ain't hunting any other way.
    You’re right, I’ve never hunted beside a club that had control of their dogs. But I’ve witnessed the whole list of bullshit the bad dog drivers do. I’m glad you have it dialed. As mentioned I’d use your voice of reason to protect what you’re doing if you enjoy it vs pointing fingers. If I came and shit in your yard, I don’t think you’d be arguing that you and many others use a toilet and don’t do that. You’d do your dead level best to stop me from doing that, and rightly so. So telling us we’ll all just have to put up with it until more do it right is horseshit. I missed your offer previously, but I’d love to participate in a dog drive. So put your money where your mouth is and invite me this fall. I’m not that busy and just sit with the bow a few times a year anyway. I’d love to see and be a part of a good one. Waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto Duck View Post
    You’re right, I’ve never hunted beside a club that had control of their dogs. But I’ve witnessed the whole list of bullshit the bad dog drivers do. I’m glad you have it dialed. As mentioned I’d use your voice of reason to protect what you’re doing if you enjoy it vs pointing fingers. If I came and shit in your yard, I don’t think you’d be arguing that you and many others use a toilet and don’t do that. You’d do your dead level best to stop me from doing that, and rightly so. So telling us we’ll all just have to put up with it until more do it right is horseshit. I missed your offer previously, but I’d love to participate in a dog drive. So put your money where your mouth is and invite me this fall. I’m not that busy and just sit with the bow a few times a year anyway. I’d love to see and be a part of a good one. Waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderchicken View Post
    Porkchop, it's you and the others that "aren't the problem" that need to step up and ask for changes for the ones that are a problem (solutions, laws, whatever you want to call them). There's not many more fun and exciting things than listening to a pack of hounds on a hot track when they are where they are supposed to be. There's not many more aggravating sounds than a pack of hounds that is running where they AREN'T supposed to be. Unfortunately, large tracts in SC are being divided at a rapid pace. Things are changing and it's getting less and less conducive to running deer with dogs. It's only a matter of time before changes are made. The response that it's tradition or "dogs can't read Bo" isn't going to cut it anymore and your voice of reason needs to be heard if you want to keep your sport of hunting deer with dogs alive, but you are going to have to be reasonable and understand that there is a large (and growing) group of people that are doing it the wrong way and are causing a problem. It is going to be addressed sooner than later!
    Yes sir I agree with you and have said for over 10 years (tradition) (can't read signs is bullshit). Yes land is getting harder and harder to find for lease. Word of mouth is best advertisement. I completely understand that there are more than 75% of the dog hunters causing the problems. I would also go out on a limb and say 3 years ago that number was prob 97%. Clubs have made changes slowly and I hate to say it slowly is not what needs to be done but... through the forums I am part of i continue to push how important it is to have control of hunting dogs especially deer dogs but then again I personally only have met few people on here so odds of someone taking advice to the extreme of changing their dog hunting practices from a stranger is slim.

    Goes back to me offering couple years ago having some of you witness it so you could spread the way that works for us and just hope you have enough influence on them to change.

    Hell some guys that I have known for years and hunted with occasionally was to damn stubborn to change and there entire club lost all dog rights because of it.
    So even people that have seen it,witnessed it had all the opportunity in the world for 10+ years to make changes chose to fuck it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhead25 View Post
    First off…if you can’t keep up with the dogs with today’s technology, then you aren’t trying to. This makes you a renegade. The renegades need to be dealt with. Same as some on here. We have 5 packs only and don’t allow visitors to bring dogs. All of our packs are collar conditioned and we can stay on 400 acres all day if we chose to. The part that sucks is we are beside a piece of of crap club that lets their dogs run all over everyone. The locals know who is who, but they have run all over my clubs property before we can even hunt it. I get it. Game wardens have caught them and ticketed them. When they get to court (if it get there), they get a slap on the wrist and are back at it. Don’t punish the good ones. Makes the consequences severe for the violators. As a president of a club that does it right, I can say that most doggers that do it the same way would support severe punishment for the lowlife pieces of crap that don’t care. The sad reality is those Pieces of Crap would still be the ones turning dogs loose with no collars or stolen collars and still find ways to be renegades.
    You are correct with the statement of with today's technology. What is so sad is people will exert more effort into getting out of fixing something than the little bit of effort it takes to fix the problem.

    I have worked right beside plenty of these guys and they will find every excuse as to why they cant complete the task and work 3x harder to get out of doing the job than the 60% of energy it would have taken to do the job.

    Same goes for the renegade dog hunters.

    I and many others that aren't the problem would vote yes on stricter punishment for the renegades in a skinny minute.

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