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    Heard about this yesterday when the folks at DNR were watching it live. Now it is a problem?

    Deer-hunting dogs make life miserable for rural property owners, SC agency told By Sammy Fretwell Updated June 5, 2026 9:15 AM Gift Article Hunters who use dogs while stalking deer are increasingly in conflict with rural landowners, who say deer-hunting dogs are overrunning their land and causing a nuisance Sammy Fretwell/The State Virtually every Saturday during the fall, Rick Baturin watches dogs rush onto his land from nearby hunting grounds in Colleton County. The canines leave areas where sportsmen are using them to stalk deer and enter his property, an annoyance with potentially dangerous implications that has left Baturin frustrated after years of complaining to South Carolina’s wildlife department. TOP VIDEOS The video player is currently playing an ad. You can skip the ad in 5 sec with a mouse or keyboard “My property rights get trampled every Saturday and holidays,’’ he said. “I have two little kids. My kids can’t be out there because at any given time, there are a dozen unknown dogs coming through my property. I can’t take that risk and have my family out there.’’ Baturin is among a group of rural landowners urging the state wildlife agency board to support tighter regulation of sportsmen and the dogs that hunters use to pursue deer. The main complaint is that dogs are getting off established hunting property and running loose on other people’s land, sometimes with gun-carrying sportsmen right behind. Critics spoke to the agency’s board Thursday, June 4 in Columbia. South Carolina has some laws that could address the problem, but critics say those rules are either too weak or are not being enforced. Baturin is a member of the Property Protection Alliance, a group formed last year to address the issue of hunting dogs that trespass on private land. The group says it doesn’t want to ban all uses of dogs to hunt deer – but its website says it is “committed to ending irresponsible practices.’’ Not only do deer hunting dogs disrupt the peace, but they interfere with hunters who are not using dogs to stalk game, the group says. The group says dog deer hunters sometimes release “excessive numbers’’ of the animals on small tracts, which opens the door for the canines to get off the property and onto other folks’ land. The issue has caused tension for more than 40 years in South Carolina, a state where traditional uses of land are increasingly at odds with growth. But attempts to resolve conflicts haven’t worked, the wildlife board was told. While lawmakers approved a bill at one point that was supposed to address the issue, it hasn’t fixed the problem, said Baturin and alliance president Jodi Howard. Both said they’re often the victims of unscrupulous hunters who don’t respect the property rights of others during the fall hunting season, which ends in January. Baturin said unruly hunters have shot at him and dumped trash on his land when he has complained. “On any given Saturday, we have dogs on our property all throughout the course of the day,’’ Howard, who lives in Sandy Run and owns land in the Lowcountry, told the board. “We have trucks running up and down the road. We have dog hunters shooting on our property. We have land on both sides that turns dogs out on our property.’’ The Department of Natural Resources intends to hold a series of meetings on the issue and send a report to the Legislature for consideration in 2027. It’s possible such legislation could include tough fines for hunters who let dogs stray onto other people’s property, or it may contain restrictions limiting deer dogs to larger tracts of land. But what exactly that will say is far from being determined. Many hunters who use dogs to track deer say they’re only doing what South Carolina sportsmen have done for generations. They are hesitant to support more oversight as a result of problems they say are caused by unethical hunters. Using deer to hunt dogs occurs only in the state’s coastal plain. The practice is not allowed in the Upstate for reasons that are not clear. “Those who violate the law should be held accountable,’’ said Paul Caskey, president of the S.C. Sporting Dog Association. “However, it is important that the actions of a few bad actors not define an entire hunting tradition or shape policy in ways that overlook the overwhelming majority of responsible hunters who follow the law.’’ DNR staff member Jay Cantrell said the conflicts date to at least 1985, and have surfaced every few years since then. The wildlife agency board in 1994, trying to resolve the dispute, said it continued to support hunting deer with dogs if done legally and ethically. Deer hunters were encouraged to work with the agency, Cantrell said. In 2008, the Legislature asked the Department of Natural Resources to hold meetings and propose a solution based on those sessions. By 2010, the Legislature passed a law called the Renegade Hunter Act, which was a first. But Cantrell said “it was not a perfect law’’ and the dispute flared up again. Multiple bills in the Legislature have since gone nowhere. Cantrell said DNR staff members have no official position on how to settle the conflict, but they are willing to work on the issue some more. South Carolina is growing and changing, and land-use conflicts are becoming more common, he said. “Although these challenges and issues have not changed much over the years, our state has changed significantly,’’ he said. “We’ve had tremendous population growth, increased development, land tract sizes have shrunk. There are just more competing and conflicting land uses out there.” Critics say the state needs tighter regulations, but the DNR could more aggressively enforce laws that exist now. “I’ve called DNR for 20 years, and there’s been one ticket written,’’ Baturin said. This story was originally published June 5, 2026 at 7:14 AM.

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    About time.

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    You go work all year making your properties as good as they can be while limiting pressure... then August 15 comes in and they start turning packs of dogs loose on the 20 acre tract down the road. Then spend three days picking them up. Meanwhile they are running over your land all day and all night.

    It has to end...
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    I really wish it was a tradition that could continue. And it can in places like Biz’s club where they can keep the dogs in with a fence. But the MAJORITY are allowing their dogs on neighboring lands, then just trespassing to retrieve them. It happens at my place multiple times per year.

    There is no other practice that is allowed to infringe on landowner’s rights so egregiously. if you were to explain it to someone who didn’t understand hunting, they would think that you were lying that it was allowed.

    I love the tradition of a dog hunt. I took my son to hunt with Biz last year, and hope to again. But, as a landowner, it is just hard to imagine that it is allowed in its current state.
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    Back in the day you could keep them sort of honest by being the bigger asshole. Puppy Campbell from Adam's Run found out real quick what an Eastover boy would do for instance. Big clubs like yours were like swatting skeeters. Wouldn't trade any of it for the world...

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    Plenty of clubs do it right. There will always be the ones that don't. Same as folks that trespass to kill your bucks, ducks or turkeys. Don't think we need or want any more laws limiting hunting rights.

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    I want my rights to enjoy my property protected. Period
    Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him

    He ain't wrong, he's just different, and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right

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    If the guy in the story has it happen every Saturday and only one ticket has been issued in 20 years…something ain’t right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trkykilr View Post
    I want my rights to enjoy my property protected. Period
    Slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 1/2" MAGUM View Post
    Slippery slope.
    OK. Drop me a pin and I’ll come and go as I please on your place.
    Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him

    He ain't wrong, he's just different, and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right

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    Our club is 2240 acres in one single tract. We've cut down pack sizes and now only run beagles that must be tone broke. We haven't had a dog get off our place in 2 season. We've also cut down on the size of our drives. We have guys that are placed out of a drive on side by sides with Garmin's to cut a dog off it they get by the stander line. Is our way perfect no but its working for us. We also give our neighbors our hunt schedule so they know the weekends we dog hunt.

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    [QUOTE=trkykilr;3250897]OK. Drop me a pin and I’ll come and go as I please on your place.

    Are we still talking about dogs or renegades? Stricter laws against dog hunting = rabbit dogs, skirl dogs, fat house dogs, coon dogs..... we've all got "Rights". We keep fighting each other, we'll have a law for every damn thing.
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    [QUOTE=3 1/2" MAGUM;3250903]
    Quote Originally Posted by trkykilr View Post
    OK. Drop me a pin and I’ll come and go as I please on your place.

    Are we still talking about dogs or renegades? Stricter laws against dog hunting = rabbit dogs, skirl dogs, fat house dogs, coon dogs..... we've all got "Rights". We keep fighting each other, we'll have a law for every damn thing.
    You sound like the turkey reaping crowd. We have to stick together as hunters, right? I’m guessing DC’s squirrel dog doesn’t get off of his intended property very often.

    Here’s a proposal. I’d assume your dogs/the dogs you hunt with have them high falutin collars. That GPS data has to be turned over to DNR, and you pay $10/minute when they are on property where you don’t have permission. The dog man pays $1000 every time his receiver leaves property where he has permission. Biz’s fences start to look cheap.
    Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him

    He ain't wrong, he's just different, and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right

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    Quote Originally Posted by trkykilr View Post
    I really wish it was a tradition that could continue. And it can in places like Biz’s club where they can keep the dogs in with a fence. But the MAJORITY are allowing their dogs on neighboring lands, then just trespassing to retrieve them. It happens at my place multiple times per year.

    There is no other practice that is allowed to infringe on landowner’s rights so egregiously. if you were to explain it to someone who didn’t understand hunting, they would think that you were lying that it was allowed.

    I love the tradition of a dog hunt. I took my son to hunt with Biz last year, and hope to again. But, as a landowner, it is just hard to imagine that it is allowed in its current state.
    Same
    Pretty good assessment. I grew up running dogs and owned a bunch.
    Just glad I have heard a pack burning one's ass up before and my kids have.
    A different day, a different time

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    [QUOTE=trkykilr;3250904]
    Quote Originally Posted by 3 1/2" MAGUM View Post

    You sound like the turkey reaping crowd. We have to stick together as hunters, right? I’m guessing DC’s squirrel dog doesn’t get off of his intended property very often.

    Here’s a proposal. I’d assume your dogs/the dogs you hunt with have them high falutin collars. That GPS data has to be turned over to DNR, and you pay $10/minute when they are on property where you don’t have permission. The dog man pays $1000 every time his receiver leaves property where he has permission. Biz’s fences start to look cheap.
    Will not matter how often it happens, if there's a law/fine. Reapers have rights too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 1/2" MAGUM View Post
    Slippery slope.
    There is nothing slippery about it at all!
    \"I never saw a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A small bird will drop dead frozen from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.\" <br />D.H. LAWRENCE

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    Someone could look in from 1998 and think it was still 1998 here. While change is the one constant in life, this issue never seems to. Bear hunters are going to bear hunt and deer doggers are going to drop dogs out of trucks/boats/ and airplanes if they have to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calibogue View Post
    There is nothing slippery about it at all!
    We don't need/want new regulations or .gov overreach.....until I want it.

    Got it.

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    10 pages at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JABIII View Post
    Someone could look in from 1998 and think it was still 1998 here. While change is the one constant in life, this issue never seems to. Bear hunters are going to bear hunt and deer doggers are going to drop dogs out of trucks/boats/ and airplanes if they have to...
    100%.

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