Non flying tamies

[Boogie]

I have heard that many folks this year saved a couple bucks per bird with SCwa/Frost and bought their release birds from a massive tamie producer in Arkansas. They look like genuine tamies...yellow feet, shit stained feathers and all that, only problem with these birds is they refuse to fly. At all. Apparently there are a lot of people freaking out about it. I think it is hillarious. What are yall hearing?

[JABIII]

The same. They were even talking about it in Stuttgart earlier in the week.

[Boogie]

I wonder if any of our fearless men in green will have the balls to write tickets for hunting over live decpys?

[Turd Ferguson]

BWHAHAH- you should do standup

[Boogie]

Maybe Trad can shed some light on this.

[DUCKMAN]

I know several waterfowl managers - ones that manage for wild waterfowl - that have said that if tammies come to their impoundments and they in turn are charged with "hunting over live decoys"......they will sue every grower/releaser in SC, etc.......especially since they do not band them all when released.....so they are all GUILTY! The grower/releaser sheds all responsibility when they open the cage regardless of disease or improper "training".

[scfowler]

Originally posted by Boogie:
I wonder if any of our fearless men in green will have the balls to write tickets for hunting over live decpys?

<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Never happen.

The tamie boys OWN the men in green.

[trigger]

You are correct in that assessment SCfowler. The boys in green are bought and paid for by the tamie boys.

Our joke of a Governor Sanfraud hunts tamies quite often in the Low Country with Yankee plantation owners who gifted him big money during his campaign.

They own him and he in turn owns the DNR board.

Every duck hunter and gamewarden in this state knows that the illegal activity going on in these "release sites" is only getting worse.

Over-the-limit, certain ducks out of season, rallying waterfowl, live decoys, are the NORM not the exception on these "hunts".

You can't blame the boys in green for the fact that they will be harshly rebuked if not straight out fired for enforcing the laws against the men who own the Governor.

It is a shame but it is not going to change until we kick Sanfraud to the curb and get a real South Carolinian who cares about our NATURAL resources instead of bread fed pets.

[tradorion]

This is my third attempt to formulate a reply that does not start out with the unprofessional greeting of "Screw (not the word i want to use) You- SCFOWLER and TRIGGER..."

Simply put- myself and a host of other boys and girls in green have made cases on release impoundments in most every county. I checked some of the governor's crew year before last on the PeeDee River (edited- brain fart- originally said Black). So any time you want to check my "bought and paid for" credentials come on down... one of the great blessings about being me is I have never worked in a county that i was "familiar" with so EVERYBODY gets checked/worked.

Making a "hunting over live decoys" case is one of the more difficult cases due to the level of documentation it takes as well as how you get that documentation and the fact that there is a greater degree of subjectivity (as ooposed to objectivity) to apply- 2 hen mallards is over the limit, 3 shells in the mag is an improperly plugged gun, BUT at what point do ducks being around/near a blind become live dekes??? It is alot easier on one of those impoundments to take the host of other cases that usually arise (ESPECIALLY limits and hens)-- besides as a general rule most of us try not to "stack" cases too deep on any given violator unless there is a repeat offense issue.


Trad

[Turd Ferguson]

I agree with that Trad- but answer me this- Do the tamie shooters and their weekly blind guest get checked as much as the boat boys? BWHAHAH--much easier for them to shoot over the limit than it is a boat--with the hunters being concentrated in one area and the ducks being lower and on the water the GW has a harder time keeping tabs--not saying they are not doing their jobs by no means- Dont bust my balls too hard Trad! I see GW at landing quite often, enough they remember you and dont ask for lic. or stamps-- I have no problem with the man in Green-and I give the tamie boys credit for shooting and getting out of the field at a decent time
I guess I am just bitchin cause I aint got a heated blind with hot coffee and a playboy in the shitter

Yall watch Trad hand me my ass in a bucket! LOL

[tradorion]

I don't have an answer for that Turd- I try to work where the activity is and the definition of "activity" varies- some days (ESPECIALLY season openers and last days) public water is usually the place to be to make sure that "The Unwashed Public Masses" know we are out and about and watching THEM....

Then there is the running around to be done on the Cypress Ponds and Bays that abound as wood duck roosts...

At the same time there are the growing number of "Sporting Shooters" (NOT hunters) who do play on release impoundments... There are also the Genteel Sporting Fellows (said with tongue in cheek) that DO NOT release birds but have large land/water holdings to play on- Last year one fellow well-placed in DU had the balls to indignantly tell me "But we're the Good Guys!" when i layed up on them and checked them coming out-- i simply smiled and said- "Ya'll need to be watched too!"

I follow a little bit of a rhythm for release impoundments- i let them have a shoot or two to get comfortable about me NOT showing up and then it seems to be richer when i DO show up... sortof like not shooting your dove field while people around you shoot theirs seems to give you more birds...

The biggest issue lies in having way too many places and people to check and a wide open schedule for when they can choose to hunt and too few GW's to get around to it all.

I have some plantation managers with impoundments who call and tell me when they are going to shoot- does me good two ways- i make cases on the boys on the river around them and often make cases on the impoundments themselves- but they were forewarned that the GW's knew they were shooting so--- ooooops to the violators.

What happens all too often is i am on the south end hoping one group will shoot when another on the north end actually does and NOBODY comes to the pond i am sitting on.

T

[trigger]

Trad wrote- "blah, blah, blah, blah"

All that means nothing when the illegal activity is still going on.

When you enter a duck pond and there are mallards swimming around in plain sight of you, there is your case. If you are going to tell us that you have been checking tamie ponds and have not seen this then you are either blind or you have Department issued blinders on.

[tradorion]

And there will be illegal activity going on long after i am retired... For every one i catch 10 or more get away with the same or some other activity...

Come on and play sometime Trigger- visit your Regional Captain for your District and put the work in to become a DLEO- learn what it takes to make a solid case in court and then tell me about all the stuff that we just let "walk away" or how it's "untouchable".

When Andy Buhl was here we looked at a number of impoundments trying to get what he felt was good enough evidence for federal court and we never managed to cobble together a case he felt truly good about. We did, in the process, make cases on limits, licenses, stamps, plugs, and lead... so forgive me if we didn't quite cater the friggin buffett to your particular tastes. Just b/c a particular charge doesn't get filed doesn't mean a host of others don't get filed either.

I am still running the same sort of specials each year- when i find a "live decoy" case that merits getting put on my plate you can bet your ass I'll serve it up.

[trigger]

Andy Buhl. He was in this state for what? 2 years max? The Feds are really dropping the ball by not keeping an Agent in this state for any lengthy period of time. It takes a decade just to figure out the players. What a shame that Agent Hines retired. He had them figured out and if he hadn't had a DNR officer squealing to the bad guys behind his back he would have cleaned their ass up.

[trigger]

I am still running the same sort of specials each year- when i find a "live decoy" case that merits getting put on my plate you can bet your ass I'll serve it up.

<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Thanks for trying. It is all that we can ask of you.

[Turd Ferguson]

using my budweiser crying man voice---

Trad- I love you man


Your still not getting my Bud light Turdie

[tradorion]

Buhl's years were ones of good effort very focused on the outdoor activity side of his job. It doesn't always take a decade to figure out the players- Andy had a couple of us that like to play the waterfowl game.

USFW can't make somebody stay some place- unfortunately nobody who wants to call SC home and work for USFW has surfaced yet.

As for trying- that's all we can do.

And i'd say "forgive me for getting my feathers ruffled-" but they were ruffled for a reason...

You can call my mother fat, you can call my sister ugly, you can even make jokes like "I ain't saying Ole Trad is queer- but he will hold it till the swellin goes down..."

All of those are in good fun and games- just don't question my integrity or who "guides" me in how to enforce the law. I have butted heads in the past and will in the future- but the ONLY people having a say in my tickets are ME, the defendant, and the judge/jury.

Trad

[tradorion]

Well then Turd- can i at least have your Diet Dr. Pepper or your girlfriend for a nite?? [img]graemlins/fu.gif[/img]


T

[LabLuvR]

Trad,

Tell us a little about the DLEO program requirements since you brought it up. I have often wondered why the DNR doesn't make more use of volunteers.

[tradorion]

Currently the program is undergoing some changes that will allow for greater control of who is in the game- requirements such as a mandatory level of assistance that each DLEO must provide to maintain their status...

There are a limited number of slots- usually it ties into having "domain" over a given amount of land- as i understand it the original intent was that if the guy responsible for a piece of land had the ability to enforce the law on it then it was one less place we had to be.

The way to find out if there are openings in your area are to ask the Regional Captain... another way is to become a State Constable and work with local LE efforts then piggy back some with us...

But the single greatest thing a person can do requires nothing more than a good set of eyes and willingness to help. If a hunter/outdoorsman/ANYbody sees a crime committed they can swear out a warrant and help us bring it to court.

All you need to do is get good eyewitness information- where when who (as good a description as possible) boat number, ducks killed, etc as specific as possible and then be willing to come to court.

Hell- go on a Tamie Hunt at some impoundment and then if the ducks stay at your feet- don't shoot and swear a warrant against those that do...