Dove field thoughts

[Hooked 0n Quack]

I think this was previously covered a little bit earlier but I got a few more questions. I want a sunflower I can spray for sure because my weeds are so bad that they just take them over within a few weeks even with cultivating. I am looking into the Clearfield to spray Beyond? on. Who makes Beyond and what all does it kill? Will it kill sicklepods and johnson grass? Those are my main rivalries and I am not exaggerating when I say RIVALRY. THANK GOD for Round-up Ready corn. Also about how much are they a bag and how much is the spray and will it work on corn too? Comparable to round-up? Does anyone know a good(cheap) place around the midlands or Sumter area to pick this stuff up? I spent the day today in the field on the tractor running the disc and I'm fired up and ready to go. I am determined to have a good field...if it doesnt hold birds at least it'll be purdy!

ALSO...what are some ways to keep the wild goats outta the way until some seed is made? Too bad they dont eat sicklepod and johnson grass...lil bastards!

[GBelly]

We used Clearfield sunflowers last year. Theyd did well. We hit it hard with a pre emerg and then Cadre when they got up to 4 inches. Good weed control until they defoliated.

[Aging Baby Boomer]

I have never used the Clearfield / Beyond system for sunflowers, but according to the label:

-Beyond is a BASF product

-It does not kill or even suppress johnsongrass or sicklepod in sunflower applications

I have heard that the system (seed and herbicide) is expensive compared to standard sunflower varieties and more traditional chemicals.

If you have deer, nothing in my experience will keep them out of emerging sunflowers except an electric exclusion fence. The SCDNR biologists will sometimes give you a "shoot-to-scare" permit, but that has never worked for us. A single electric wire about waist high works for us, but might not in your area.

Talk to your farm supplier about Beyond. Unless he tells you it will control johnsongrass and sicklepod you may want to stick to a standard system.

We use a preplant spray of Treflan to control grasses (such as johnsongrass). After sunflowers reach 8" to 10" in height we cultivate to control emerging broadleaf weeds (such as sicklepod). If grasses appear in the young sunflowers we spray over the top with Poast Plus. Poast kills grass, but not the sunflowers. When the sunflowers are mature and drying we come over the top with a roundup burndown.

Good luck!

[BrownDog]

I plant 30 acres in Sunflowers. CLearfield Sunflowers with Prowl as A Pre emergent and then Cadre at 21 days. I also have moved to 30inch rows to better shade out any weeds later in the growing season. Mid August I spray all sunflowers with Round-up. Then any weeds that got through are dead. I do not cut any sunflowers. The doves will eat on the heads and then enough will get nocked over as people and dogs look for birds. We hunted over Sunflowers all three seasons last year. I don't plant sunflowers on the same ground two years in a row. I rotate corn, millet, wheat and sesame into the same fild to prevent issues assoated with planting the same crop year after year on the same dirt.

[Aging Baby Boomer]

Cadre is a good idea. The peanut farmers use it and like it a lot. Cadre likely would work with regular sunflower varieties without having to go to the more expensive Clearfield variety.

[GBelly]

Treflan + Cadre + Poconite(for the deer, proof tested)

A gly-4 application after defoliation, will improve maximization

[buckshot1224]

[img]graemlins/withstupid.gif[/img] We always plant a good many sunflower and Treflan is great. We usually get everything cut up really go and then spray it down with treflan. The plow over it once or twice more to to get it good and mixed in. We have spray a second time when we were trying to plant in a field that was know for a lot of weeds. After we plant we might cultivate once right before they flower out. We haven't ever sprayed any post-plant spray on sunflower so you will have to check on that.

[Aging Baby Boomer]

What's poconite?

[Sashimi]

Originally posted by Aging Baby Boomer:
What's poconite?

Shitty fertilizer, literally.

[Turd Ferguson]

a safe organic fertilizer for commercial and home applications

Same as Sashimi said- a really shitty fertilizer!

[Hooked 0n Quack]

if i put out treflan for the sunflowers after the corn is up and some of it gets hit...will it kill it?

my reasoning is that i will be planting them very close to each other and also will it be safe to plant corn next year where treflan has been sprayed?

[Aging Baby Boomer]

We have never observed a problem of treflan spray drift hurting corn that has already emerged.

Corn (and weeds and everything else!) does fine the next crop year on treflan treated land.

[2thDoc]

your treflan works in the soil and is not made to kill by contacting the leaf. you should be fine.

Quack, you need to work on your weeds with a pre-emergent like trilin (treflan). you wont get them all, but it will be a start. I was admittedly suprised to hear that cadre doesn't work on johnson grass. seems to me it was similar to round-up in its efficacy, but the treflan may have done all the work.

[2thDoc]

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