1700 feet per sec.

[coot nasty]

Yall might think I am crazy, but i need to know do they make a 1700 feet per sec. dove load? And if not what is the fastest one they make? The reason being is that I like to shoot skeet with the same feet per sec.as i do ducks. To try to keep my timming down. Thinking about trying the new hypersonic shells by remington.

[kquinn]

The fastest shells that I know of are 1300 fps and you can get Remington or Winchester. 1 1/4 ounce load of shot in 7.5 or 8. Any faster than that and you have to load them yourself. About 7.50 per box at Wally World.

[Saltydog235]

You shoot a 1700 fps skeet load? Most people I know shoot one that you can almost see the cloud of shot out the barrel.

[Fish]

I don't think you're crazy. You just don't know anything about shotgun shells. But then, neither do any of the "high brass" shooters that like to shoot 1 1/4 ounce #6s at doves.

To each his own...

The fastest lead sporting load I've ever seen was 1,375 fps and it was a Kemen Extra 7/8 ounce load. There's nothing comparable in lead to that 1,700 fps steel load you're talking about.

And don't get any bright ideas about trying to reload something like that with lead shot. You WILL hurt yourself.

[Glenn]

And don't get any bright ideas about trying to reload something like that with lead shot. You WILL hurt yourself.

But if you do will you please film it and leave a note for a relative to log in and post it here?

[Highstrung]

These are the fastest I've shot, the FITASC load at 1380. They are also my dove load.

http://www.claycartridge.com/products.asp?Cat=3

[Fish]

That Cantey special sounds like a bruiser. Let me know what it looks like after 4 boxes.

[Highstrung]

That Cantey special sounds like a bruiser. Let me know what it looks like after 4 boxes.

My shoulder or shotgun

[Redleg]

These are the fastest I've shot, the FITASC load at 1380. They are also my dove load.

http://www.claycartridge.com/products.asp?Cat=3

Those look like some serious shells! I bet you can kill more birds with the high brass ones.

[Fish]

I was referring to your shoulder. But the reality is, Joe gets his shells from that same company that makes Kemen and Rio. Rio makes a fitasc load that is almost identical to the CCC and the felt recoil from both is probably 18lbs. I have on numerous occasions shot 200 or more of the CCC's and the Rio's in a single day on the parcour. However, I prefer the Kemen Suprema at 1,350 fps. It's a better shell all around.

A one ounce load at 1,200 fps is just as effective at 35 yards as 1 1/4 ounces at 1,400 fps. The faster the load leaves the muzzle, the faster it slows. At 30 yards, both shot strings are occupying the same position and the site picture would be the same for both rounds.

Oh, and in the off chance that you do not already know, the brass has nothing to do with the recipe inside the shell or the performance.

[Redleg]

Oh, and in the off chance that you do not already know, the brass has nothing to do with the recipe inside the shell or the performance.

I was just trying to get a rise out of you. I've not shot an off the shelf lead shot load in over 7 years.

When I'm serious about skeet, I shoot 7/8 oz of #9 at 1190 FPS. I like Remington hulls, Winchester primers and wads (the superlites - I think the pink ones), and Hodgdon Clays. I'm a skinny guy and hate recoil, and I don't need to prove my manhood. I've shot as many as 15 rounds of skeet in a day shooting those without feeling any negative effects from recoil. When I switched to such a lite load, I was able to practice more, and as a result went from breaking 20 per round to averaging 23-24 per round.

For doves, I like the 1 oz of #6 shot (stay away from me in the field, Carla Dee!) or 7 1/2 shot at 1200 fps (same components except the WAA12L wad).

[lil 2 sleepy]

I was referring to your shoulder. But the reality is, Joe gets his shells from that same company that makes Kemen and Rio. Rio makes a fitasc load that is almost identical to the CCC and the felt recoil from both is probably 18lbs. I have on numerous occasions shot 200 or more of the CCC's and the Rio's in a single day on the parcour. However, I prefer the Kemen Suprema at 1,350 fps. It's a better shell all around.

A one ounce load at 1,200 fps is just as effective at 35 yards as 1 1/4 ounces at 1,400 fps. The faster the load leaves the muzzle, the faster it slows. At 30 yards, both shot strings are occupying the same position and the site picture would be the same for both rounds.

Oh, and in the off chance that you do not already know, the brass has nothing to do with the recipe inside the shell or the performance.

While I agree that both will kill equally well at 35 yds.

This is absolutely not true. Physics dictate that acceleration decreases at +/- 9.81m/s^2 on any item moving on the face of the planet. It is simply a vector calculus equation there after.

The only variables with shot are wind, angle, and distance. The launch speed, angle and value of gravity determines any point along the path of a trajectory. It is simply a matter of wind and reactant forces. So if you have two items of the same mass, with the same gravitational forces, and same reactant force, the only variable is velocity. An item moving initially 200 fps faster will not be in the same place at 30 yds as one moving slower.

See Randy Johnson vs. Bird

Bird would be safe if it had been Jaime Moyer pitch vs bird.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...traj.html#tra3

Edit: Technically the resultant force at over 200fps is greater so it will slow down at a tad quicker rate. Like the sixth decimal point, but they will not ever be at the same point at the same time. Obviously unless they hit something.

[Wad Shooter]

Sleepy, Thanks - I was thinking the same, but didn't feel like typing it all up.

In Fish's defense, his scenario may be possible if the faster load is steel and the slower one lead as is applicable to duck hunting loads (old lead vs new steel). Force = Mass X Acceleration, but Momentum = Mass x Velocity. Therefore, since steel shot has a lower mass, it has a lower momentum and would be more susceptable to the effects of gravity, air friction, wind, etc.

[Fish]

This is absolutely not true.

As it was explained to me by another engineer, resistance slows the faster moving charge at a faster rate than it does the slower moving charge. He was also a shooter and had spent a lot of time over-thinking it...kinda like what you did.

However, according to wikipedia, drag forces act in a direction opposite to the oncoming flow velocity.[1] Unlike other resistive forces such as dry friction, which is nearly independent of velocity, drag forces depend on velocity.[2]

Note that the power needed to push an object through a fluid increases as the cube of the velocity. A car cruising on a highway at 50 mph (80 km/h) may require only 10 horsepower (7.5 kW) to overcome air drag, but that same car at 100 mph (160 km/h) requires 80 hp (60 kW). With a doubling of speed the drag (force) quadruples per the formula. Exerting four times the force over a fixed distance produces four times as much work. At twice the speed the work (resulting in displacement over a fixed distance) is done twice as fast. Since power is the rate of doing work, four times the work done in half the time requires eight times the power.

Basically, the above caption is saying that if you have an object moving at a faster rate of speed, it will require more enegy to mainain that speed. Intuitively, I would tell you that this means the initial energy to send the lead charge out of the muzzle at 1400 fps will slow faster than the 1200 fps load.

See Randy Johnson vs. Bird

Is this a court case?

Edit: Technically the resultant force at over 200fps is greater so it will slow down at a tad quicker rate. Like the sixth decimal point, but they will not ever be at the same point at the same time. Obviously unless they hit something.

I'm thinking you're thinking more in terms of absolutes here. Obviously the pellets of two shot shells will never occupy the same position, but with regard to distance from the muzzle, the increased influence acting upon the faster load will equalize the disparity between the two loads at some point downrange.

Regardless of who is correct in this instance, you can't see a difference in lead between the two shells at any range.

[Highstrung]

I was referring to your shoulder. But the reality is, Joe gets his shells from that same company that makes Kemen and Rio. Rio makes a fitasc load that is almost identical to the CCC and the felt recoil from both is probably 18lbs. I have on numerous occasions shot 200 or more of the CCC's and the Rio's in a single day on the parcour. However, I prefer the Kemen Suprema at 1,350 fps.

I hung up wanting to shoot sporting clays, but I enjoyed it. A few of my friends get together and shoot a couple times a year. It was another hobby (sport) that cost to much, and at the moment I have enough of them. I have shot 200 rounds in the past at his course of CCC. When it comes to dove hunts I rarely shoot over a box on a calm day. Fish, Joe is my cousin, and is a fun guy to have a drink with and talk shooting.

[Fish]

Fish, Joe is my cousin, and is a fun guy to have a drink with and talk shooting.

Yes, I know. He's a very likable guy. He's always been gracious to me.

[Simple Man]

A one ounce load at 1,200 fps is just as effective at 35 yards as 1 1/4 ounces at 1,400 fps. The faster the load leaves the muzzle, the faster it slows. At 30 yards, both shot strings are occupying the same position and the site picture would be the same for both rounds.

I think most engineering schools require you to have mastered reading comprehension prior to sitting in Physics classes. I think.

We're talking 2 different loads here, NOT 2 loads of the same size moving at different velocities.

[lil 2 sleepy]

I think most engineering schools require you to have mastered reading comprehension prior to sitting in Physics classes. I think.

We're talking 2 different loads here, NOT 2 loads of the same size moving at different velocities.

You do know those are pellets not solid weight right? The individual pellets are still the same size.

[Tater]

I was referring to your shoulder. But the reality is, Joe gets his shells from that same company that makes Kemen and Rio. Rio makes a fitasc load that is almost identical to the CCC and the felt recoil from both is probably 18lbs. I have on numerous occasions shot 200 or more of the CCC's and the Rio's in a single day on the parcour. However, I prefer the Kemen Suprema at 1,350 fps. It's a better shell all around.

A one ounce load at 1,200 fps is just as effective at 35 yards as 1 1/4 ounces at 1,400 fps. The faster the load leaves the muzzle, the faster it slows. At 30 yards, both shot strings are occupying the same position and the site picture would be the same for both rounds.

Oh, and in the off chance that you do not already know, the brass has nothing to do with the recipe inside the shell or the performance.

Now that I've debunked your shit involving the SAME load, let's get back to the original statement, which is in fact DIFFERENT loads.....(that reading thing again...) The principal remains the same. Take a corvette and drive 60 MPH to a known point and let off the gas, eventually you will coast to stop. Now put a UPS body on that same corvette frame and repeat with a speed of 70 MPH...the corvette will go further AND at some point in time as the UPS body slows down at a higher rate their velocities WILL be the same...

[dixiedeerslaya]

Now that I've debunked your shit involving the SAME load, let's get back to the original statement, which is in fact DIFFERENT loads.....(that reading thing again...) The principal remains the same. Take a corvette and drive 60 MPH to a known point and left off the gas, eventually you will coast to stop. Now put a UPS body on that same corvette frame and repeat with a speed of 70 MPH...the corvette will go further AND at some point in time as the UPS body slows down at a higher rate their velocities WILL be the same...

um...... arent yall experts talking about two shotshells with the same size shot?

now, i dont think a ups truck and a corvette is comparitive to two #7 pellets.... nomatter if there is 100 corvettes and 75 ups trucks or not.