My dad went and sat in the stand while i worked on my new stand and shot 4 point but i believe he hit him in the shoulder. I went down there and he said he couldnt find blood. But i found blood not 1 yard from the corn pile he just cant see. Well i would tavel and looses it and then back track and pick it back up again it was little tiny drops and he said the arrow was still in him so i have came to the conclusion that he had a bad shot in the shoulder. I could keep picking up the blood trail in the daylight but when it got dark it was hard to find them little drops and my maglight needs some new batteries and id bought some but my brother took them.