IP Georgetown

[smitch320]

Is the old Westvaco mill in Charleston still running?

No

[DRDUCK]

No

Thanks, used to sell them truckloads of roll wrap along time ago. What is there know? I would bet it is a pretty contaminated site.

[centurian]

What is going to happen to the millions of acres of planted pine now in production. To much investment to cut it down and burn for new houses.The timber market changed 20 years ago when the users started selling their timber holding to outside investors. The wood is still here and will need to be harvested in the next 5 to 20 years. Half our lease was just replanted after harvest, the other half has not been harvested but will need cutting in the next 1-5 years. Seems now the harvest is regulated by the timber price rather than rotation. Any harvested timberland not replanted is ripe for new construction.

[Luvin' Labs]

Here is a blurb of info we received from our company this morning...

They are breaking procurement ops into three buckets Fluff, Containerboard and Box Plants. It is anticipated the Fluff mills will eventually be sold to Suzano, the same group that recently bought Evergreen. The G’town announcement may be a precursor to this move. They are also set to announce that US Gypsum will buy the Orange, TX facility.

[Saltydog235]

Here is a blurb of info we received from our company this morning...

They are breaking procurement ops into three buckets Fluff, Containerboard and Box Plants. It is anticipated the Fluff mills will eventually be sold to Suzano, the same group that recently bought Evergreen. The G’town announcement may be a precursor to this move. They are also set to announce that US Gypsum will buy the Orange, TX facility.

We've been working in the Box/Container plant section. They have/had some big plans for that building and have put some money into the production floor and facility in the last year. We were supposed to start another phase this month, then it got pushed back to first of the year. They just set up to put in two new machines as well.

[Panther11]

Most of their tons will be absorb elsewhere. A lot of it in this state. So it is not like the forest production will no longer be needed in this state. Threes will be routed to another mill.

[Lawdog]

Hard to absorb those tons in a flooded market

[scquackaddict]

IP’s tons will not be absorbed in any real capacity. Some will especially the fringes that could go to other markets Florence, Alcolu, Riegelwood, but it’s gonna be really hard to move pulpwood in Georgetown county. Georgetown was already absorbing tons from Charleston closure and IP Riegelwood going 50% last year. This mill closure by itself isn’t a huge blow to statewide/southeast wide forestry. Obviously a huge blow to Georgetown, but coupled with everything else from the last 18 months it’s death by a thousand cuts. Is Forestry gone forever? Probably not. Will you see pine plantation cleared in Georgetown county with pulpwood piled and burned, absolutely. Pulpwood is a liability all over the southeast these days

[Calibogue]

Most of their tons will be absorb elsewhere. A lot of it in this state. So it is not like the forest production will no longer be needed in this state. Threes will be routed to another mill.

No, it will not be absorbed by other mills.
Everyone's quotas will get tighter, stumpage prices will drop, loggers will go out of business, and landowner reforestation investments will be reduced.

[JABIII]

As a species, we just can't seem to learn a lesson...



Wartime demands home-front resourcefulness, which can be seen in this envelope fashioned from wallpaper. “The blockade of ports early in the war was the main reason for this,” says researcher and Confederate postal historian Trish Kaufman. “The blockade prevented the importation of paper from the North and Europe. Consequently, Southerners used virtually anything where one side had enough space for an address. In this example, it was spare rolls of wallpaper—though not stripped from the walls, as has erroneously been declared in the past.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...sonian-539020/

[redhead25]

No, it will not be absorbed by other mills.
Everyone's quotas will get tighter, stumpage prices will drop, loggers will go out of business, and landowner reforestation investments will be reduced.

What he said! Exactly what will happen. Look for 40%+ of the loggers to be out of business by Jan 1.

[smitch320]

Most of their tons will be absorb elsewhere. A lot of it in this state. So it is not like the forest production will no longer be needed in this state. Threes will be routed to another mill.

Absorbed where? There’s no many other places left to absorb it…

A lot of Loggers wont be able to hang on after this. It’s already hard enough with flooded markets and quotas. Most every logger I deal with is on the verge of going out already. This business is mainly based on production and quantity, so without those two things, you will not be able to sustain and will have to go out.

[LabLuvR]

Damn, if I was a logger after reading all this, I would sell all my equipment ASAP before the market gets loaded with stuff.

[Saltydog235]

Absorbed where? There’s no many other places left to absorb it…

A lot of Loggers wont be able to hang on after this. It’s already hard enough with flooded markets and quotas. Most every logger I deal with is on the verge of going out already. This business is mainly based on production and quantity, so without those two things, you will not be able to sustain and will have to go out.

Rode by this morning on the way to check a job, normally the log trucks are stacked up at the gates waiting to get in at that time. I saw two, a month ago there were 20 waiting to go over the scales and a steady stream coming out.

Asking because I don't know but can any of this timber be sold for lumber to places like Interfor?

[scquackaddict]

Typically that wood can’t be used for lumber because of too much defect, not big enough, etc. You only send what you have to the pulp mill because it’s typically the lowest value product. Also Interfor ain’t exactly doing much right now been running on only one shift for a while

[redhead25]

They called the loggers yesterday when the news broke and told them they were cutting all loads at 10am. Millions of dollars of wood on the ground with no where to carry it. Very upset landowners, truck drivers, and loggers.

[thunderchicken]

The trickle affect from this will be substantial.

[smitch320]

Interfor is a sawmill, so in short, no they wouldn’t be able to buy what IP buys.

To echo what quack addict, Interfor ain’t doing good. Closed Summerville mill and Meldrim, GA mill back in August.

[ceddy]

Nah interfor ain’t hittin on a whole lot anywhere. As far as IP, the ripple effect is larger than almost any of yall can understand. There’s a few on here that know, but not many. IP Georgetown was a monster of a paper mill and a staple to the southern logging community. In less than a day, everything has changed. The shock was felt out here and across the world. Changes Tuesday, leading to more changes over the next 4 years is the only thing to save logging in the US. IP just pushed the big red button.

[JABIII]

Tip of the iceberg, fellas. We sold our souls for filthy lucre to people who hate us, and they are going to offshore what little we have left. Saw it coming with Ellett Bros...