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    Default Armed Militia "hunting" FEMA in Rutherford County NC

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency said it made "operational adjustments" in North Carolina over the weekend and temporarily paused aid in parts of the state amid concerns that an armed militia is threatening government workers.

    The Washington Post reported that FEMA had advised federal responders in Rutherford County to "stand down and evacuate the county immediately" on Saturday, citing an email from an official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.

    The email said National Guard troops had encountered trucks of "armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA."

    In a Sunday post on Facebook, Ashe County Sheriff Phil Howell said FEMA had "paused their process as they are assessing the threats."

    A spokesperson for FEMA told Newsweek on Monday that the agency had made changes to its recovery efforts to ensure the safety of staff and survivors.

    "FEMA continues to support communities impacted by Helene and help survivors apply for assistance," the spokesperson said.

    "For the safety of our dedicated staff and the disaster survivors we are helping, FEMA has made some operational adjustments. Disaster Recovery Centers will continue to be open as scheduled, survivors continue to register for assistance, and we continue to help the people of North Carolina with their recovery."

    Newsweek has learned that disaster survivor assistance teams are currently working at fixed locations and secure areas and are no longer going door to door out of an abundance of caution.

    The changes come as FEMA has been fighting misinformation since Helene hit Florida on September 26, before leaving a trail of destruction across several southeastern states as it traveled north.

    Some on social media called for FEMA to be targeted after a rumor that the devastated North Carolina town of Chimney Rock was going to be seized and bulldozed by the government circulated online despite local authorities and news outlets debunking the claim.

    Former President Donald Trump and others have also fueled false claims that FEMA has not been able to respond well enough because it diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants. That is not true—while FEMA administers the Shelter and Services Program, funding comes from a separate pot of money funded by Congress for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

    Other false claims have also been made, including that people taking federal relief money could see their land seized or that $750 is the most they will ever get to rebuild. FEMA has set up a page on its website to combat misinformation and rumors.

    FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell told reporters last week that the false claims were hurting worker morale as she urged people in hard-hit areas to accept the government's assistance.

    "We have thousands of people on the ground, not just federal, but also our volunteers in the private sector," Criswell said at a news conference in Asheville on October 7.

    "And frankly, that type of rhetoric is demoralizing to our staff that have left their families to come here and help the people of North Carolina. And we will be here as long as they're needed."

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    Now this, my friends, is the epitome of disinformation. The left are masters. Do a shitty job and get caught; play semantics and figure out a way to blame DJT. Its worked for 8 years. The new narrative:

    "Disinformation is why the response was horrible." "Disinformation led the red-neck militia to start riding around hunting FEMA agents, so we had to stop our incredible efforts...and this is why the response was not adequate." "Orange man and his white-nationalist supporters BAD!"
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    Talk about propaganda. Democrats have no shame. The press secretary herself told everyone they were using FEMA money to house illegal immigrants. It's well documented. But when Trump calls them out, he's the bad guy. Those folks don't need FEMA at this point. Americans already stepped up and are helping the people in this region to recover.

    FEMA must be a bunch of government pussies.

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    I can tell you 100 percent, saw it with my own eyes, there are still parts of NC that have not seen any government help. We were in one of those places Saturday.

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    Excuse for Martial Law and to round up the guns. Have no idea if any of it is true, but does it have to be?

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    A significant percentage of the country is just sheepish and naive enough to believe that.

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    In other words "We are tired after hauling our fat city asses up 5 steep driveways yesterday, and want to go back to the hotel or home if they will let us."...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHUNTINFANATIC View Post
    I can tell you 100 percent, saw it with my own eyes, there are still parts of NC that have not seen any government help. We were in one of those places Saturday.
    I can attest to the same. With the exception of NG delivering water and MREs, 99.9 percent of the people doing “the work” are civilians and retired military there on their own will.

    Now could that be because locals don’t want the govt there, def a possibility


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    When has the presence of the government ever made anything better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    When has the presence of the government ever made anything better?
    Great Point!!
    Gettin old is for pussies! AND MY NEW TRUE people say like Capt. Tom >>>>>>>>>/
    "Wow, often imitated but never duplicated. No one can do it like the master. My hat is off to you DRDUCK!"

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    Here are some more Feds at the Trump boat parade this weekend...



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    Yeah just when you think things cant get any crazier or more ridiculous with the democrat bull shit. Be glad when this election is over and we get this shit over with. BUT I am sure there are more outrageous stuff to come especially if President Trump is elected.

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    Complete bullshit
    If it aint got 8 toes & a green head,it aint a duck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baggy View Post
    A significant percentage of the country is just sheepish and naive enough to believe that.
    which parts?
    Ugh. Stupid people piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    When has the presence of the government ever made anything better?
    same time bitching on the internet helped.
    but we keep repeating FEMA isnt helping and shit goes crazy.

    What is y'alls expectation of the government at this point? (before you start in on the "money was spent on illegals" give me proof other than FOx News said so.

    STOP repeating the claim and this wouldnt happen. I have not been where schuntinfanatic has been. first hand reports showed lots of FEMA people but again why do I care at this point? I may care with rebuilding, but i give not one shit if they help my cut this tree out of the way.

    Stop repeating bullshit on the internet
    Ugh. Stupid people piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHUNTINFANATIC View Post
    I can tell you 100 percent, saw it with my own eyes, there are still parts of NC that have not seen any government help. We were in one of those places Saturday.
    x3

    Saw it Saturday myself. Absolutely pitiful conditions, was told stories of neighbors still missing and presumed dead. Roads are opened back up bc locals with dozers did it themselves. Power is still up in the air but most everyone had a generator for a temporary solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    When has the presence of the government ever made anything better?
    Depends on who you ask
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2thDoc View Post
    same time bitching on the internet helped.
    but we keep repeating FEMA isnt helping and shit goes crazy.

    What is y'alls expectation of the government at this point? (before you start in on the "money was spent on illegals" give me proof other than FOx News said so.

    STOP repeating the claim and this wouldnt happen. I have not been where schuntinfanatic has been. first hand reports showed lots of FEMA people but again why do I care at this point? I may care with rebuilding, but i give not one shit if they help my cut this tree out of the way.

    Stop repeating bullshit on the internet
    KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, SEPTEMBER 2022: So FEMA regional administrators have been meeting with city officials on site to coordinate to coordinate available federal support from FEMA and other federal agencies. Funding is also available through FEMA's emergency food and shelter program to eligible local governments and non-for-profit organizations upon request to support humanitarian relief for migrants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2thDoc View Post
    same time bitching on the internet helped.
    but we keep repeating FEMA isnt helping and shit goes crazy.

    What is y'alls expectation of the government at this point? (before you start in on the "money was spent on illegals" give me proof other than FOx News said so.

    STOP repeating the claim and this wouldnt happen. I have not been where schuntinfanatic has been. first hand reports showed lots of FEMA people but again why do I care at this point? I may care with rebuilding, but i give not one shit if they help my cut this tree out of the way.

    Stop repeating bullshit on the internet
    The Cost of the Border Crisis
    Testimony before the House Budget Committee
    May 8, 2024

    Chairman Arrington, Members of the Committee, thank you for inviting me to speak today on the
    impact the border crisis is having on our nation.
    My name is Julie Kirchner, and I am the Executive Director of FAIR, the Federation for American
    Immigration Reform. With 45 years of experience and expertise, FAIR is a national nonprofit that seeks
    to educate Americans on the impact of mass immigration and advocate for policies that serve our
    national interests, not special interests.
    For over three years now, Americans have been watching an unprecedented crisis unfold at our borders.

    In the past fiscal year alone, we have seen a record number of illegal migrants encountered at our
    borders, a record number of suspected terrorists encountered, a record number of asylum claims – not
    to mention a record caseload in the immigration courts – and a record number of fentanyl seizures and
    overdoses. So many illegal aliens are arriving at our borders that our immigration system is beginning to
    collapse under its own weight.

    This chaos is also imposing record costs on Americans. Last year, FAIR published a report entitled the
    Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers. The study strives to illustrate the
    myriad of ways Americans pay for illegal immigration. Our estimate, which is a conservative one, is that
    Americans now pay $150.7 billion dollars annually due to illegal immigration. This figure represents a
    net cost. In terms of gross expenditures due to illegal immigration, we estimate that Americans pay
    $182 billion. Approximately $31 billion is received from illegal aliens in taxes, only 17 percent of the
    costs they create.

    The fiscal burden of illegal immigration is due to several factors. First, because illegal aliens usually have
    low incomes, those who do pay taxes pay little, if anything. Second, illegal aliens incur significant costs
    to the taxpayer on a daily basis, because public services such as policing, K-12 education, emergency
    services, etc., are provided universally. Further, due to loose eligibility criteria – intentional or otherwise
    – many illegal aliens receive benefits from federal, state, and local jurisdictions, despite the fact that
    they have no legal status.

    The majority of costs are incurred at the state and local level. The predominant cost at the state and
    local level is K-12 education of the children of illegal aliens, which costs taxpayers roughly $70 billion
    each year. This estimate covers the education of children with no legal status and U.S.-born children.

    The second highest expenditure for illegal aliens at the state level is medical expenditures, which we
    estimate to be approximately $22 billion annually. This figure includes costs attributable to
    uncompensated medical care, improper Medicaid payouts, Medicaid for citizen children of illegal aliens,
    and certain state laws that provide Medicaid coverage for illegal aliens.
    What is clear from these numbers is that the impact of the border crisis is nationwide. It is being felt
    acutely in both border states and destination states. We can look to New York City as a good example,
    where over 180,000 migrants have settled and 30,000 migrant children have enrolled in New York City
    public schools. Mayor Eric Adams now anticipates the border crisis will cost the city $10.6 billion through
    the summer of 2025. While stunning to contemplate how a local jurisdiction could absorb so many
    people who have acute needs, little to no money, and lower education levels, this situation is being
    replicated in cities across the country. These local costs for food and shelter, and other costs that are
    not well-documented, are not incorporated into our report. This means that taxpayers are paying much
    more than we estimate.

    It does not have to be this way. Americans need not be paying billions of dollars as a result of illegal
    immigration. This is a man-made crisis. From the moment the Biden Administration took office, it tore
    down all programs and policies designed to deter illegal immigration. It immediately rescinded the
    Remain in Mexico policy and safe third country agreements, almost completely abandoned expedited
    removal, and began releasing illegal aliens en masse instead of detaining and deporting them as
    required by law.

    Not only did the Biden Administration release the aliens en masse, it restricted enforcement policies so
    those aliens could not be apprehended in the interior. It dramatically curtailed ICE enforcement,
    attempted to institute a 100-day ban on deportations, left detention beds empty and failed to renew
    287(g) agreements. The Department of Homeland Security even went so far as to declare that being
    inadmissible alone was not a sufficient reason to initiate deportation proceedings. The message was
    clear: there would be no consequences for illegal behavior. And, even if an illegal alien was put in
    removal proceedings, the Biden Administration saw to it that immigration judges could administratively
    close the case without deciding on the merits, letting illegal aliens walk out of court and carry on as if
    nothing had happened.

    If that isn’t bad enough, the Biden Administration has proactively taken steps to help illegal aliens obtain
    benefits. This has been accomplished through a variety of means, but in particular, through illegal parole
    programs and the retroactive granting of Temporary Protected Status (TPS). These programs and others
    that offer “lawful presence” but not legal status enable millions of illegal aliens to obtain work permits
    and Social Security numbers, and unlock the door to other benefits that Americans must shoulder.
    To provide one example, let’s examine the administration’s parole program for Cuban, Haitians,
    Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans. Many people don’t realize this program has an immediate and
    significant cost to taxpayers. Upon being paroled into the U.S., these aliens – who have no legal status –
    immediately become eligible for work permits, Social Security numbers, and Obamacare, and will be
    able to obtain valuable tax credits, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the Additional Child
    Tax Credit (ACTC).

    On top of that, parolees are eligible for federal benefits programs on the same terms as legal permanent
    residents. That means they immediately become “qualified aliens” under the law and after a five-year
    waiting period, they may receive benefits under Medicaid, Social Security, Supplemental Security
    Income (SSI), Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy
    Families (TANF), and Federal Student Aid—assuming they otherwise qualify. For Cuban and Haitians,
    however, the five-year waiting period does not apply. That means that Cuban and Haitian nationals
    brought to the United States through the President’s parole program are immediately eligible to apply
    for and receive benefits from all major federal benefits programs. This happens before they even file a
    tax return and despite the fact that they have no legal status.
    Members of the Committee, over the past three years, between 9-10 million illegal aliens have been
    encountered illegally crossing borders. On top of that, approximately 1.8 million illegal aliens have
    evaded Border Patrol agents and are counted as “gotaways.” And there is no end in sight. If we do not
    reverse course now, if we do not change our current policies, the numbers will only grow and the costs
    will only increase.

    To demonstrate how these costs will grow, I had my staff do a rough calculation on the fiscal costs that
    will be incurred when all of the parolees who have arrived since the start of FY 2022 become fully
    eligible for federal benefits. Looking at only three programs, Medicaid, SNAP, and the Earned Income
    Tax Credit (EITC), and using all of the same assumptions as our current report, we estimate that the
    costs of illegal immigration will increase by $20 billion. That means the gross costs due to illegal
    immigration will soon surpass $200 billion. And this does not even include other federal benefits
    programs or state and local costs.

    Supporters of the current open-borders policies often argue that nothing can be done. They cite
    unprecedented “global migration” forces as the cause. These forces are seemingly beyond anyone’s
    control, they say, or that they can only be controlled by addressing the “root causes” of migration. This
    argument, however, only looks at push factors at work. It does not contemplate the much stronger pull
    forces ignited by the current policies. Just consider the case of Venezuela. The Maduro regime led 7.7
    million Venezuelans to leave their country since 2014 and search for a better life. However, about 84
    percent of those who left Venezuela since 2014 first settled in neighboring Latin American
    countries. Mass migration to the United States did not begin until 2021, when open-borders policies
    were implemented.

    In reality, the true “global forces” driving the current wave of illegal immigration over our borders are
    the open-borders policies of the current administration. This crisis can be stopped. We urge Congress to
    step in and return our immigration system to a lawful, orderly one that places the interests of Americans first.

    https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting...J-20240508.pdf

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    https://budget.house.gov/press-relea...er-czar-harris

    Housing

    https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-new...r-on-migrants/

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolate lab84 View Post
    x3

    Saw it Saturday myself. Absolutely pitiful conditions, was told stories of neighbors still missing and presumed dead. Roads are opened back up bc locals with dozers did it themselves. Power is still up in the air but most everyone had a generator for a temporary solution.
    They still haven’t found any clue or sign of my Ex-BIL’s wife. Found pats of the cabin. Both NC and TN S&R teams called off the search so they could devote those resources to the living. They say there’s less than a 5% chance any of her remains will ever be found. Sadly her’s is not the only story like that.

    Who really expected a fast and competent response from the gubmint. The outpouring of love and assistance from the private sector is astounding though. Truly a love thy neighbor campaign.
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