Lead Trace Study Idea...

[Glenn]

I'm kicking the tires on doing and informal study regarding lead trace/scatter in the meat we process and feed our families.

The way this would work is you bring me random processed, frozen deer meat, ready for consumption from a deer YOU killed with lead ammunition. You fill out a data sheet that will include when it was killed, shot placement, angle of shot (broadside, qtr to/away, frontal, Texas heart shot) number of shots fired and hit, caliber of bullet, make and type of bullet, range, muzzle velocity and if known, from what part of the deer the meat is from if known. Obviously location where the meat is from will be next to impossible for ground product unless you're crazy anal.

Once the data sheet is filled out I will take radiographs of the meat in the packages looking for lead trace. Depending on how many folks participate you'll get immediate feedback on whether or not your ready for consumption product has lead in it or not. From there it is up to you to decide what you do with it. I will not need nor do I desire to radiograph every pack of meat you have. Just a dozen or so random packages.

Obviously this would take place at my practice in Spartanburg after business hours on pre determined drop off/MEAT up days (lulz). So location may prohibit some of you from participating unless we can get some other folks with access to digital radiography to participate throughout the state.

What's the level of interest? I'm going to start working on the data sheet this weekend and next week when I'm off on the vacay.

Fire away with the comments.

[Sasha and Abby]

if I was closer, I would be interested. Most of my shots are neck and I don't use anything around the shot area though. Interesting study though.

[JABIII]

I would also like to do one on whole picked ,corn fed summer ducks. You can drop them off any time. Will take elk as well just to run a double blind test. Thanks…

[Catdaddy]

What about the folks that shoot a 6.5 Creedmor?

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[Glenn]

What about the folks that shoot a 6.5 Creedmor?

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This isn't a wound/loss study or manbun competition.

[flockbuster]

Be interested in seeing the results. I never thought about the lead residue from shooting one. If I was closer I would participate

[Palmetto Bug]

I don't think I'm going to change my deer meat consumption at this point in my life. I probably ingest way more lead eating doves anyway.

[Tater]

You lose a lease or something?

[Duck cutter]

Building spreadsheets, what a vacation.

You kin to Rubberhead?

[CurLee]

Just how "trace" does this radiograph pick up? Are you looking solely for bullet fragments/dust, or could it pick up environmental lead traces deposited through the bloodstream? Admittedly I have no idea how or where lead exposure is distributed in the body.

[beech]

Building spreadsheets, what a vacation.

You kin to Rubberhead?

You don’t carry your TI-85 on vacation? How do you know which skwrels are good to eat?

[Duck cutter]

You don’t carry your TI-85 on vacation? How do you know which skwrels are good to eat?

Pretty sure I got rid of my old t-85 on here years back when someone needed one for their kid.

I rely on an old construction master calculator for all my ciphering and figuring these days

[Glenn]

Building spreadsheets, what a vacation.

You kin to Rubberhead?

I don’t “beach” well. Weather is looking indoorsy for a good chunk of the week. Need a time filler.

[Birdhunter2]

Multiple studies have done what Glenn proposed and found elevated risk of lead exposure. see: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0005330 and https://link.springer.com/article/10...216-016-0132-6 for a couple examples.

[Luvin' Labs]

Pretty sure I got rid of my old t-85 on here years back when someone needed one for their kid.

I rely on an old construction master calculator for all my ciphering and figuring these days

I believe that was my oldest that needed that calculator

[Birdhunter2]

Bug, I don't fault the scepticism as the left is certainly after a lead ban. If the truth were told, they are probably more concerned over a condor dying from ingesting lead from hunter kill than for your health. They will use whatever means supports their position, the right does the same too for their agenda. I can't speak to the credibility of these two studies. However, their is a plethora of peer reviewed science with similar results and I expect Glenn's work would show similar results. Data can and sometimes is manipulated but repeated and unrelated research yielding the same result seems credible. I use lead and will continue until better and cost affordable options are readily available. I'm sure eat some lead fragments, a risk I'm comfortable assuming as I've seen nothing to indicate the miniscule amounts are a significant threat to my health and surely less risky than some of my other indulgences. Whether from peered reviewed science of from Glenn's radiograph, being we'll informed creates opportunity for better decisions.

[Glenn]

I’m not trying to start a political debate. It’s a binary question. If I showed you there was lead trace in a ready for consumption pack of meat with radiographic evidence, would you eat it or not? Here’s a burger. There’s lead trace in it. What do you do? We’ve all eaten it. That bell can’t be unrung. But doesn’t mean I have to knowingly keep eating it if I don’t have to. Using copper is no more political to me than using a broadhead. I’m not trying to change the world. Just doing what I can to put less crap inside me and my family.

[BRR]

I’m not trying to start a political debate. It’s a binary question. If I showed you there was lead trace in a ready for consumption pack of meat with radiographic evidence, would you eat it or not? Here’s a burger. There’s lead trace in it. What do you do? We’ve all eaten it. That bell can’t be unrung. But doesn’t mean I have to knowingly keep eating it if I don’t have to. Using copper is no more political to me than using a broadhead. I’m not trying to change the world. Just doing what I can to put less crap inside me and my family.

Which has more lead, the cumulative water we drink or deer meat shot with lead core bullets?

I bought into the hype and went to all copper bullets for a few years. To me it had the same feel as steel shot for ducks. Yeah it works, but nothing like lead. I have gone back to berger bullets and have enjoyed dropping game in it's tracks everytime. Shot placement dictates where the lead goes.
I am not worried about lead in the meat because honestly I feel as if we come in contact with more of it from food and drink we purchase or the environment we live in.

[FLS]

Which has more lead, the cumulative water we drink or deer meat shot with lead core bullets?

I bought into the hype and went to all copper bullets for a few years. To me it had the same feel as steel shot for ducks. Yeah it works, but nothing like lead. I have gone back to berger bullets and have enjoyed dropping game in it's tracks everytime. Shot placement dictates where the lead goes.
I am not worried about lead in the meat because honestly I feel as if we come in contact with more of it from food and drink we purchase or the environment we live in.

X 1000 The BHA, Meateater, Hammer Bullet crowd loves to keep this pot stirred. Copper bullet shooters are the crossfitters/ vegans of the hunting community.

[centurian]

The results would be interesting Glenn. I would like the antis to explain the mechanism of how my neck shot deer has lead in the hams or was it already there before I shot it. I don’t eat ground deer meat nasty stuff. I would eat if I ground it myself.