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    Sep 2001
    Wateree, South Carolina

    Default Snakes doing snake things

    South Carolina Republican ‘Loyalty Oath’ Drama: Standoff Continues
    The GOP ‘supermajority’ is a dumpster fire, people …

    by Will Folks
    January 13, 2023

    The first week of the 2023 session of the S.C. General Assembly has drawn to a close with no resolution to the intra-party drama roiling the ranks of the “Republican” supermajority in the state’s House of Representatives.

    This news outlet has written extensively on this issue, which revolves around a controversial “loyalty oath.”

    This oath – which is being pushed by new “Republican” majority leader Davey Hiott of Pickens County and S.C. speaker pro tempore Tommy Pope – would prohibit members from endorsing or campaigning on behalf of anyone challenging a GOP incumbent in next spring’s primary elections.

    According to my sources, it would also prohibit lawmakers from posting images of the House’s electronic voting board on their social media pages – and bar them from discussing the “internal processes” behind House votes during public appearances.

    “Basically it’s an incumbent protection ultimatum – accompanied by a muzzle,” I wrote earlier this week.

    An estimated eighteen GOP lawmakers – most of them affiliated with the so-called “Freedom Caucus” – refused to sign the oath, setting up a showdown with the more moderate “Republican” majority. The sides were supposed to gather at the upscale Palmetto Club in downtown Columbia, S.C. earlier this week in the hopes of resolving a weeks-long standoff.

    To say there was no resolution is putting it politely …

    According to my sources, the vast majority of these lawmakers were denied entry to the caucus meeting by officers working under the authority of S.C. House sergeant at arms Mitch Dorman.

    Eventually, five of these lawmakers – Mike Burns, Bill Chumley, Bobby Cox, Steven Long and Melissa Oremus – were reportedly allowed inside the caucus meeting at the Palmetto Club to “plead their case,” but were “kicked back out” shortly thereafter.

    Here is the specific campaign language certain members of the Freedom Caucus are reportedly objecting to …

    “No member of the Caucus shall engage in campaign activities of any kind against any other Caucus member in good standing.“

    -Rules of the South Carolina House Republican Caucus, 11/16/2022
    Multiple House members have complained that Pope, Hiott and other GOP leaders are liberally defining “campaign activities” to include a prohibition against members from posting images of the House’s electronic voting board on their social media pages. They have also reportedly been told that they are to refrain from discussing the “internal processes” behind House votes during public appearances.

    “They love to leave things vague so they can weaponize the rules,” one lawmaker who declined to sign the pledge told me.

    During negotiations, RJ May III – a lawmaker who is one of the leaders of the Freedom Caucus – reportedly offered to abstain from managing political campaigns against GOP incumbents.

    May runs a political consulting firm in Lexington County, South Carolina.

    May’s proposal reportedly asked House leaders to give the Freedom Caucus three legislative wins – school choice, judicial reform and abortion – in exchange for his concession. They refused.

    After these discussions, a vote was reportedly taken among the caucus moderates as to whether its members should continue negotiating with the lawmakers who refused to sign the oath. Only three out of an estimated fifty-five lawmakers in attendance raised their hands indicating they desired to continue negotiations.

    The drama unfolding in South Carolina has been largely ignored by the state’s mainstream media – but it has made national news. In a column published earlier this week in The New York Times, contributor Thomas B. Edsall praised GOP moderates for taking a hard line against the “hard right.”

    Edsall compared the dysfunction to what unfolded last week in Washington, D.C.

    “While 20 hard-right members of the U.S. House of Representatives held the national Republican leadership hostage in Washington last week — forcing concession after concession — something very different was taking place in the Republican-controlled South Carolina House of Representatives,” Edsall wrote. “In this former Confederate state, where Republicans hold 88 of 124 seats in the House of Representatives, the party’s contemporary mainstream has faced challenges from the party’s hard right similar to those that plagued congressional Republicans throughout the tenure of Speakers John Boehner, Paul Ryan and now Kevin McCarthy.”

    Edsall lauded Pope, Hiott and their moderate allies for purportedly forcing the Freedom Caucus members into a state of “legislative marginalization.”

    “Instead of acceding to the hard right … South Carolina Republicans turned the tables and demanded that the 19 members of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus abide by a set of rules prohibiting them from campaigning against fellow Republican incumbents or violating the confidentiality of discussions among closed meetings of Republicans,” Edsall wrote.

    The loyalty oath was also discussed at length by conservative commentator Glenn Beck, although he took a decidedly less charitable view of the behavior of Pope, Hiott, et. al.

    So far, no GOP House members have been willing to publicly discuss what transpired behind closed doors at the Palmetto Club this week. Only one lawmaker – newly elected representative Joe White of Newberry County – has even been willing to share a quote about his view of the standoff.

    “One of our three ‘God Given,’ Constitutionally guaranteed unalienable rights is the right to ‘Liberty,'” White told me on Friday afternoon. “I will NEVER give or sign that sacred right away. Read into that whatever you like. At this point I am not allowed to attend South Carolina Statehouse Republican meetings (caucuses).”

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    Apr 2017


    Don’t want to be held accountable or have to explain themselves.
    They really think they’re something.

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    Dec 2002


    The three branches of government in South Carolina are the legislature, legislature and legislature.

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    Jan 2004


    Doesn't surprise me in the least about Tommy Pope or Davey Hiott.
    Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    I like fishing topwater. Will one of you jot down some of this redneck ghetto slang and the definitions for those of us who weren't born with a plastic spoon in our mouths?

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    I wouldn't sign it

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    They don't want transparency? Get the hell outta here...
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    Monsters... Be damned if I'd ever be taken alive by the likes of faggot musslims.
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    I am an equal opportunity hater.

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    Mar 2002
    Sullivan\'s Island


    The "incumbent advantage" needs to be lessened, not increased. Indeed, it needs to be eliminated. Name recognition alone is more advantage than they deserve.

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    I wouldn't sign shit.

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    Oct 2015


    Just a small glimpse into the swamp. They’ll do anything to stay in power. It’s really sickening to think about. Man of the people alright

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    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
    -Samuel Adams


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