Fanning turkeys

[wiz18]

https://rollingthunderpodcast.libsyn...g-turkeys-pt-i

The rolling thunder guys had a phone-in interview with Mike Chamberlain.

It’s also available wherever you usually stream podcasts.

He hits on a lot of key topics..

[b-stick]

[ziggy]

dave owens would be proud

[PharmHunter]

Podcast is excellent and covers a lot more topics than just "fanning".

[Smilee]

Y’all beating a dead turkey.

It’s simple, there are more turkeys dying every year than being born and raised. Human population is increasing steadily and more people actively hunt. Habitat is being destroyed for the American dream. Predation is no different than 20 years ago. Fuck there are more hawks and predators in the west and they have more turkeys. Throw on top of that the folks who travel multiple states every year and it makes it worse. It’s happening with about every game species out there. Little common sense goes a long way.

[ReelHard]

Y’all beating a dead turkey.

It’s simple, there are more turkeys dying every year than being born and raised. Human population is increasing steadily and more people actively hunt. Habitat is being destroyed for the American dream. Predation is no different than 20 years ago. Fuck there are more hawks and predators in the west and they have more turkeys. Throw on top of that the folks who travel multiple states every year and it makes it worse. It’s happening with about every game species out there. Little common sense goes a long way.

Farmers in orangeburg county would beg to differ with deer..

[Tater]

Farmers in orangeburg county would beg to differ with deer..

When I was stationed in CT my best friend was a GW. He got sent undercover to MA to help with a “poaching ring”. The poaching ring turned out to be a pumpkin farmer that had been repeatedly denied depredation permits. He had built a tower stand overlooking his field and let anyone that wanted to climb up and kill deer.

THAT was the “poaching ring”. My friend packed his shit up and came home.

[britton40]

Y’all beating a dead turkey.

It’s simple, there are more turkeys dying every year than being born and raised. Human population is increasing steadily and more people actively hunt. Habitat is being destroyed for the American dream. Predation is no different than 20 years ago. Fuck there are more hawks and predators in the west and they have more turkeys. Throw on top of that the folks who travel multiple states every year and it makes it worse. It’s happening with about every game species out there. Little common sense goes a long way.

The only thing that lawmakers can control is how many are killed, when they are killed and how they are killed.

Research shows there are more turkeys being killed than born and raised FACT

Habitat is being destroyed. FACT

Fanning, reaping is a cheat code that involves little skill. It’s not safe. It results in more deaths of dominant turkeys at the wrong time. Per the research conducted by Chamberlain and others, these dominant birds are the ones that don’t need to die. At least not early in the season when a fan, mojo or strutter are so effective.

Why not ban it. We either agree on something that lowers harvests or we lose bag limits and get shorter seasons.

It’s common sense to me.

Justin you don’t need fans or decoys to kill turkeys. You’re a killer and I highly doubt you even use them except for kid hunts.

[banded_mallard]

The only thing that lawmakers can control is how many are killed, when they are killed and how they are killed.

Research shows there are more turkeys being killed than born and raised FACT

Habitat is being destroyed. FACT

Fanning, reaping is a cheat code that involves little skill. It’s not safe. It results in more deaths of dominant turkeys at the wrong time. Per the research conducted by Chamberlain and others, these dominant birds are the ones that don’t need to die. At least not early in the season when a fan, mojo or strutter are so effective.

Why not ban it. We either agree on something that lowers harvests or we lose bag limits and get shorter seasons.

It’s common sense to me.

Justin you don’t need fans or decoys to kill turkeys. You’re a killer and I highly doubt you even use them except for kid hunts.

Put me in the boat for the latter. Lower the limits and shorten the season. Let people hunt how they want. I have never reaped a turkey and likely never will. But I’m not into telling other people how they should enjoy to hunt.

[britton40]

Put me in the boat for the latter. Lower the limits and shorten the season. Let people hunt how they want to.

I’m good with both. Research and science Agee with both.

[PJ1012]

Put me in the boat for the latter. Lower the limits and shorten the season. Let people hunt how they want. I have never reaped a turkey and likely never will. But I’m not into telling other people how they should enjoy to hunt.

So you don’t think they should tell hunters not to bait them or shoot them with rifles either?

[Sportin' Woodies]

You mean he didn't pose in front of the pumpkin patch in full tactical gear with his arrest seizures?

[Tater]

You mean he didn't pose in front of the pumpkin patch in full tactical gear with his arrest seizures?

Nope, lol. He came home and told his boss that he was having no part of it because the state was the cause of the problem. Give the man his depredation permits he needed and the problem would be solved. Damn things were annihilating his pumpkins. Stomp, nibble, move to the next.

[StrutnBPS]

Serious question.....

Have any of you ever witnessed this in person? Because I haven't, but I have seen it on TV a lot lately.

[Sportin' Woodies]

Unicorns exist.

[Tater]

Not anymore, he’s retired now

[WhitewaterDuck]

Reaping seems to be most popular for those that need to get the shot for their TV show or for getting young kids some action in front of them. I can’t believe that too many folks would enjoy hunting that way after having them run up to your barrel once..maybe three times. Kinda seems like the equivalent of catching farm pond bass in traps. That said, game laws should target having no more than x number of a species taken and to ensure they are taken in a certain timeframe. Beyond that, the government needs to stay out of it. My .02

[PJ1012]

Reaping seems to be most popular for those that need to get the shot for their TV show or for getting young kids some action in front of them. I can’t believe that too many folks would enjoy hunting that way after having them run up to your barrel once..maybe three times. Kinda seems like the equivalent of catching farm pond bass in traps. That said, game laws should target having no more than x number of a species taken and to ensure they are taken in a certain timeframe. Beyond that, the government needs to stay out of it. My .02

So by your theory, we could shoot them over bait with a rifle as long as we all get a certain limit and a certain timeframe?

[WhitewaterDuck]

So by your theory, we could shoot them over bait with a rifle as long as we all get a certain limit and a certain timeframe?

They allow rifles in Wyoming. At first, I thought it was really a regional decision based on the difficulty of getting a bird within 40 yards that can see 2 miles and just concluded I’d not hunt with decoys. This last turkey I killed was 15 yards from me and up the side of the hill, and I realized about the time I squeezed the trigger that anyone hunting that area from that side’s access would have been up that hill shooting right at me…probably with a rifle. Then I realized that turkeys are the only animals we are allowed to hunt on public land with rifles without blaze orange and they are the most likely of all quarry to concentrate multiple hunters in one area. So now I’m against hunting turkeys with rifles.

If it’s your private land…why not? Maybe hunter A hunts for three years and learns to call masterfully without much effort. He’s a natural. Within five years, hunter A can talk a 5 yo gobbler into leaving 10 hens and walking 300 yards across an open field to 20 yards from the bead.

Hunter B is tonedeaf and just can’t call for sh!t after three years of blowing on 100 different diaphragms daily. Poor dood puts more effort into it than 98% of the population, but he can’t get it figured out. He decides to fill his tags using a 22mag after still hunting them from a ground blind for hours each time he goes out.

What’s the difference? A had x tags and filled them. B had x tags and filled them. Laws shouldn’t be counting on a certain percentage of hunters failing to fill their tags. Fair chase is important, but where does that line get drawn? Should we limit deer hunting to shotguns with buckshot? Why is it different for deer and turkeys?

Baiting is a whole mother ball of wax. People hunt for different reasons.

Hunter C enjoys the sport involved in hunting, owns 1000 acres, and enjoys the challenge of killing animals with stick and string. He makes good money, he bought the land ten years ago, and he’s invested a ton of time and money into clearing and planting food plots that produce food for the game year round. In harvested corn and beans in the fall with winter wheat and a variety of name brand food plot mixes producing well into winter. Chufa really draws the turkeys in the spring. He fills his deer tags in the fall, kills ducks over flooded corn in January, and lops the heads off gobblers from one of his strategically placed double bull blinds filling all his tags and the tags of a friend ou two and maybe a couple of kids tags to-boot.

Hunter D owns 50 acres down the road that his family has owned and passed down over the years. They used to kill deer and turkeys Every year on tin bucket ridge when it was a good year for acorns. They even scratched out a few ducks that would hit the bottom on a good wet year when the creek backed up and flooded some low spots. Hunter C’s primary concern is having his kids enjoy hunting by giving them a touch of success every now and again while also supplementing their diet with venison, wild Turkey, ducks, and squirrels. He has two corn feeders out. He and his kids shoot a couple of basket racks and a couple of does, fill three turkey tags, and pass shoot a few woodies heading to the flooded corn up the road.

You telling me Hunter C is a problem here? Of course not. The baiting thing ain’t black and white. Dumping a bag of corn and planting 10 5acre chufa patches are both baiting. Unless there is ZERO manipulation of the land beyond what Mother Nature does all by her lonesome, then it’s baiting. Funny that the most expensive, most effective baiting practices are the ones that are legal.

So…I’m saying the DNR should make bag limits and seasons based upon the premise that everyone that buys a license will be successful and should not make any laws with the intent of making it more difficult for someone to fill their tags. I’m all for laws being written that limit or manipulate all sorts of variables/methods that may result in it being more difficult for hunters to fill their tags. Those laws should only be written and go Into effect after thorough and vigorous public debate, and the reason for them should not be for the purpose of limiting harvest.

Good reason for banning baiting….reduce spread of disease that is showing risk to the area.
Bad reason…we only want 10k animals killed. If you only want 10k animals killed, do not issue any more than 10k permits and adjust annually after analyzing true harvest numbers.

[WhitewaterDuck]

So by your theory, we could shoot them over bait with a rifle as long as we all get a certain limit and a certain timeframe?

Shoulda put short answer first. Short answer: yes.