Miami condo collapse

**Birddawg** · 06-24-2021, 03:21 PM

I know of building inspectors that were in cahoots with unlicensed GC's in dade county. I'm sure it happens all over.

**lowbudget** · 06-24-2021, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by turbo

Code enforcement has always been carried out by know nothing gov't employees.

Hurricane Andrew exposed nothing.

Preach!

**SCDAWG** · 06-24-2021, 03:43 PM

Sure it happens. I was thinking folks actually got prosecuted for being on the take.

**scatter shot** · 06-24-2021, 03:50 PM

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl...981-story.html

**BigBrother** · 06-24-2021, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by SCDAWG

Sure it happens. I was thinking folks actually got prosecuted for being on the take.

Has to be proven, I'd imagine.

My biggest gripe on the whole government employee is that at worst they lose their job, and get shuffled in the pool to another position so the wont lose their benefits. Betraying the public trust should be a felony.

**ecu1984** · 06-24-2021, 03:55 PM

On the list of "ways I don't want to die"
Having a 12 story concrete building collapse on me is right up near the top of the list

**Nolo Contendere** · 06-24-2021, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kioti

All female architects?

Nope - wrong type of construction

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**Kioti** · 06-24-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Nolo Contendere

Nope - wrong type of construction

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That bridge they built down in Florida ended up looking like a sandwich.

**Bigtimber2** · 06-24-2021, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kioti

All female architects?

You mean structural engineers? Architects usually know little about structural design of high rise.

**FishSticker** · 06-24-2021, 04:48 PM

99 unaccounted for according to a local(Miami)news outlet...

**JABIII** · 06-24-2021, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bigtimber2

You mean structural engineers? Architects usually know little about structural design of high rise.

Not to mention that this one is at the beach in prime hurricane real estate. It should have been built to withstand much more wind, water, foundation undercutting, etc. than the same design built inland...

**Bigtimber2** · 06-24-2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by JABIII

Not to mention that this one is at the beach in prime hurricane real estate. It should have been built to withstand much more wind, water, foundation undercutting, etc. than the same design built inland...

The codes have changed a bunch and are by county now all of South Florida requires a design for a Cat 5 storm winds. The Panhandle is still behind. I don't think any of Florida is designing/coded for a major storm surge. Charleston is taking it serious with new construction. Knock out panels are an interesting design.

**BEAR** · 06-24-2021, 06:02 PM

My dad has a good friend from high school who is a structural engineer. At the time I talked to him about going to college for structural engineering, which was 20 years ago, he told me that his company is one of 10 in the country to design stadiums. He then got into the stress level of the job and crazy insurance premiums. One thing he told me, and it has always stuck with me, he said, “A brain surgeon can make one mistake and kill someone. I can make one mistake and kill thousands.” Praying they can find many survivors of the missing 99 people.

**Bigtimber2** · 06-25-2021, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by BEAR

My dad has a good friend from high school who is a structural engineer. At the time I talked to him about going to college for structural engineering, which was 20 years ago, he told me that his company is one of 10 in the country to design stadiums. He then got into the stress level of the job and crazy insurance premiums. One thing he told me, and it has always stuck with me, he said, â€œA brain surgeon can make one mistake and kill someone. I can make one mistake and kill thousands.â€ Praying they can find many survivors of the missing 99 people.

This is true but they use a safety factor through the roof as they should. Our customers will no longer quote stadium work, they lose on everyone they have supplied.

Those cookie cutter post tension mid-rises continued to push the design limit back then. Cable guys played a bunch of golf on Friday and still do. When post tension cables break it is rapid like cutting a rubber-band while rebar elongates and bends, a building becomes unsafe but not a catastrophic failure of floors pancaking like here. The newer design have enough rebar to withstand the load of another floor with shearwalls that has a more ductile rebar that will sway but not break in a seismic event. Most of Nucor's rebar will spec to both categories.

Now the timber industry is pushing for their engineered products to be used for high rise work. The material is stringent enough for this but imagine being on the 20th floor and a fire on the 4th.