Russell Ramsey Just a Mallard?

[joeydpga]

Give this a listen

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000478002466

[codeman216]

I listened the other day. Any duck hunter on the east coast needs to listen and just about anybody interested in ducks.


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[Strick9]

Cliff notes Joey?

[joeydpga]

Black ducks a product of their environment

Wild mallards are truly only west of the Mississippi

scwa and other released birds aren’t messing with mottled ducks or blacks but crippling for any mallard population

1920-1960 approximately 500k mallards released a year in the AF. (Game farm birds)

the Atlantic flyway mallard is over 10% different genetically from a wild mallard west of the Mississippi.

And so many more good nuggets.

[joeydpga]

According to his study in 2010, if You shoot a mallard in the Atlantic flyway, you have a 10% chance of killing a true wild duck and not a game farm duck.

At the end he makes a comment about declining Great Lakes mallards might be related to released birds in the AF. Seems the Flyway Foundation found out that’s where our wild mallards come from and we continue to release birds to the detriment of the species.

Definitely worth the listen.

[Relentlous]

Thanks for sending it.

[Relentlous]

I got out of it that there’s a 5 % chance a mottled will be hybridized by a mallard and 25%chance a black duck would be hybridized by a mallard. And a Florida mottled with a white bar is more of the pure form mottled.

[joeydpga]

Thanks for sending it.

Yeah buddy

[Relentlous]

Mallards were rare to the AF prior to the late 1800s. They were as rare as if you was to kill a cinnamon teal here today

[Palmetto Pride]

Despite the rice production in the late 1700s/early 1800s? Where does this info come from ?

[joeydpga]

Comparing DNA from birds in the Smithsonian

[abarill]

I got out of it that there’s a 5 % chance a mottled will be hybridized by a mallard and 25%chance a black duck would be hybridized by a mallard. And a Florida mottled with a white bar is more of the pure form mottled.

Like this one?

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Or like this?
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Both killed in the same spot in Florida- it is in the Kissimmee chain of lakes

[codeman216]

I got out of it that there’s a 5 % chance a mottled will be hybridized by a mallard and 25%chance a black duck would be hybridized by a mallard. And a Florida mottled with a white bar is more of the pure form mottled.

The other part of this is that hybrid blacks hardly ever breed with black ducks but mallards. So his main point on that was that the hybrids created by release birds breeding with blacks don’t really deplete the black duck gene pool but more so detriment the wild mallard gene pool. Meaning the wild mallard population is in more danger from hybridization than black ducks.


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[codeman216]

The white bar on the mottled is a genetic variation that apparently 1 in 10 mottleds have. Like red hair or blue eyes in a person or connected ear lobes or disconnected. Not all of them are exactly the same.


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[Catdaddy]

The white bar on the mottled is a genetic variation that apparently 1 in 10 mottleds have. Like red hair or blue eyes in a person or connected ear lobes or disconnected. Not all of them are exactly the same.


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So where you kill the duck is a better indicator than the bars and coloration.

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[Rubberhead*]

I will listen to this but I will say a few things before I do...

I trust science. I don't trust scientists.

My two thoughts on the mangling of mallard genetics are 1) any probably (P>0.00000%) of a release bird's genetics getting into any wild population should be enough to shut every release program down permanently and 2) genetic mangling is one of only 7 major issues I have with the release problem...

In no particular order...

1) It's an unnecessary disease vector,
2) Any introduction of altered genetics is permanent and should be avoided at all costs,
3) Release birds are used as live decoys and, like bait, every released bird should be removed from an area for a minimum of 10 days before that area can be legally hunted,
4) It damages the long-held justifications that non-subsistence hunting is about the sport and the resource and not simply killing,
5) It competes with legitimate production-based and protection-based game management techniques for capital and operational funding,
6) Even without genetic swapping, release mallards out-compete black ducks and mottled ducks for the most productive nesting areas, and
7) Release birds killed outside of their release areas sully the experience for other hunters who may intend to hunt wild reared birds.

[BOGSTER]

It’s a very eye opening study on the American mallard complex.

The wild mallards of the 1930s - 90s were not truly wild, but feral game farm birds brought over from Europe and released into the Atlantic Flyway.

[Rubberhead*]

Okay, I listened. It is refreshing to hear a well-studied individual that disagrees with the MPR on both a scientific and philosophical level. Overdone Arkansas-accent man shouldn't interrupt so much.

[Catdaddy]

It’s a very eye opening study on the American mallard complex.

The wild mallards of the 1930s - 90s were not truly wild, but feral game farm birds brought over from Europe and released into the Atlantic Flyway.

I agree with science, but its hard for me to believe that 180000 mallards coming to Santee in the 70's were tamies.

[Rubberhead*]

I agree with science, but its hard for me to believe that 180000 mallards coming to Santee in the 70's were tamies.

Man-made ducks coming to a man-made lake, in hindsight, seems almost acceptable...