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    Why Fargo, North Dakota Might Be A Better Retirement Destination Than Florida’s Sunshine

    The grisly Oscar-nominated comedy Fargo opens with a blinding white landscape, the fog of a blizzard obscuring flat plains blanketed with snow as far as the eye can see. Although none of the movie was actually filmed in Fargo, North Dakota and very little of it is set there, the winter climate it presents is appropriate. It looks like just about the last place you’d want to live.

    “It is aesthetically not the prettiest place on earth,” says Erik Hatch, the owner of Hatch Realty and a lifelong Fargo resident. “Topography-wise, it was not given the gift of mountainous hills and rolling landscapes. Weather-wise, it’s just damn cold... But I'm going to say what everybody says about their community, and yet I know that I'm right. The best people on earth live in Fargo.”

    Talk to anybody from Fargo, a city that embraces the slogan “North of Normal,” and it might seem like they have some form of Stockholm syndrome rattling off all the endearing qualities of their hometown. But the data supports them. Fargo is the only city that has been on Forbes’ Best Places to Retire list 10 years in a row, accounting for metrics like cost of living, doctors per capita and walkability.

    Its median home price of $228,000 is 20% below the national median, and Fargo real estate is a safe investment with the population growing at a steady rate of about 4 percent per year, nearing 125,000 at last count.

    People have gravitated to Fargo for jobs in a number of industries: healthcare, technology, education and agriculture. The $500 million Sanford Medical Center just opened in 2017 as the largest hospital in North Dakota, complete with a Level 1 trauma center, cancer research and cardiovascular care to give aging adults peace of mind. Microsoft’s Fargo campus employs 1,600, and North Dakota State University enrolls more than 13,000 students.

    “Areas where I used to go out and hunt in the morning, doves and things like that—now they’re neighborhoods,” says Fargo mayor Tim Mahoney, who has lived in the city for four decades and works as a general and vascular surgeon.

    The Milken Institute ranks Fargo as the 14th-best small metro area for successful aging out of the 281 it evaluated, citing its stable economy, quality healthcare and cultural amenities and public libraries in town. NDSU regularly brings musical groups to its campus to perform, and its 1,000-seat Festival Concert Hall hosts Fargo’s symphony orchestra and opera.

    Brian Arett, director of Valley Senior Services, which supports retirees living independently in the region, says Fargo serves as a magnet for people in small surrounding towns who don’t have easy access to hospitals or these sorts of daily activities as they age. His organization offers benefits like Meals on Wheels delivery or cheap rides to and from appointments or events, and Fargo’s public bus system helps them get around town as well.


    “I know it’s the butt of some jokes in our country, but for this area, Fargo is a fairly robust metro community,” Arett says. “In rural North Dakota for instance, or northwestern Minnesota, which is fairly rural, there aren’t a lot of communities as close as Fargo that have that variety of options for older people.”

    That’s the elevator pitch for what makes Fargo an enticing place to retire, and residents are quick to offer counterarguments to any drawbacks.

    Winters are bitterly cold, with temperatures dipping below zero on an average January night, but Fargo’s airport offers nonstop flights to Phoenix for snowbirds in search of a respite. The airport also makes it convenient for retired people to visit their children and grandchildren. The beach may be upwards of 1,000 miles away in either direction, but Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, less than an hour to the east, makes for a fine summer weekend getaway. It’s more of a hike to get to major professional sports games in Minneapolis, but NDSU has its own national champion football team that frequently brings ESPN’s College Gameday show to Fargo on fall Saturdays.

    The diverse economy has attracted a slightly more diverse group of young people to Fargo—though it’s still predominantly white, Mahoney says its minority representation has grown from 7% when he started on the city council in 2005 to 15% today.

    “I think my citizens sell it better than I sell it,” Mahoney says. “You’ll find a pretty friendly contrast to New York.”

    The friendly Midwestern vibe also manifests in a low crime rate, with fewer homicides reported in all of 2019 (five) than were crammed into 90 minutes of the 1996 movie that bears the city’s name (seven).

    And yes, it comes with the territory that anybody from Fargo knows they’re likely to be asked by outsiders about the film, complete with its lampoonish accents and enthusiastic “you betcha’s.”

    “When it first came out, I thought, ‘Oh my gosh, this is insulting,’” says Hatch, who himself speaks with a barely detectable Midwestern cadence. “There was an uproar.”

    The city has come around in the quarter century since. Now, tourists can see the infamous wood chipper prop used as a fictional murder accessory on display in Fargo’s visitors center. If they visit in the colder months, they’ll find people occupying themselves at times like they did in the movie: lamenting the weather with neighbors, sipping coffee in diners and watching hockey on TV. What they won’t find is Siberian desolation.

    “Back in college, I camped outside of Best Buy on Thanksgiving to go to Black Friday with literally hundreds of other people, just to get a cheaper TV. So people still do the things that happen in other parts of the country. That still happens here,” says Hatch, an NDSU alum. “It simply is approached with more clothes on.”

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    yuk

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    I was pretty sure this wasn't going to convince you. I have watched the place growing with amazement. Sioux Falls, too. They can have that cold flat country...

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    Truth be told, that looked like a lot of reading.. i just let my mind drift away for like 20 seconds about living up there. I gagged

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    It amazes me how so many seem to want to live where they aren't, as if that will "make things better". Don't they know the party is where you make it?
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    Grass is always greener. Except in Fargo because it is under 3 feet of fucking snow...

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    Perma frost.. and those peoples accents are crazy, and why would a tan even be useful up there

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    Ice fishing sounds like hell. Nutz and I saw some weirdos doing that in Nebraska once. Freaks.

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    Those mofos can waste a bunch of energy trying to catch a perch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highstrung View Post
    Those mofos can waste a bunch of energy trying to catch a perch
    Better than killing their wives I suppose.

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    I had a job offer with Microsoft to move out to Fargo, ND...In the end I told them that I had anal glaucoma. Just couldn't see my ass living on that prairie...nope.
    At least I'm housebroken.

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    I can't imagine being interested if there were wahoo down in that hole. Surely you could wait them out till the spring...

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    Back in the day when you actually had to flip through channels.. I became instantly sad when I caught a glimpse of Little House on the Prarie

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    Put me in the crowd that would love to be back up that way. I hate South Carolina summer, don’t care about offshore fishing, the bird hunting here sucks and I’ve got two bird dogs who agree with me when I say the grass Is greener in the Dakotas, even if you have to shovel snow to find it.

    But you guys stay down here, I don’t want the housing market taking a turn up there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MolliesMaster View Post
    Put me in the crowd that would love to be back up that way. I hate South Carolina summer, don’t care about offshore fishing, the bird hunting here sucks and I’ve got two bird dogs who agree with me when I say the grass Is greener in the Dakotas, even if you have to shovel snow to find it.

    But you guys stay down here, I don’t want the housing market taking a turn up there.


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    I'm with Mollie!!

    I lived in MN for two years. I honeslty dont remember the winters dragging on any more than the summer is right now in SC. You wear a bigger jacket and go do your thing. I also agree that the people are damn nice...and they drink a lot. Granted, that appears to have changed after some of the things I saw on TV in the past month or two.

    Either way, I would have no problem living up there. Its wonderful.
    Ugh. Stupid people piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2thDoc View Post
    I'm with Mollie!!

    I lived in MN for two years. I honeslty dont remember the winters dragging on any more than the summer is right now in SC. You wear a bigger jacket and go do your thing. I also agree that the people are damn nice...and they drink a lot. Granted, that appears to have changed after some of the things I saw on TV in the past month or two.

    Either way, I would have no problem living up there. Its wonderful.
    There is only one place in the continental US where anyone would think the winters drag on longer than the summers in the SE, and that is the upper UP of Michigan...and that is only because of the amount of time it takes to melt the insane amount of lake effect snow. Those folks look forward to the snow kicking into high gear because they get out and play hard in it.

    Once you spend a little time in an extremely cold environment, cold doesn't seem to cold at all. I'd be running around in shorts and a t-shirt on sunny mid-30 degree days in IN, and it felt great. I know some people who say you acclimate to the heat in the same way, but running around anywhere in 90+ degree weather feels hot and flat out sucks...add the humidity of the SE, slapping mosquitoes while hunting in December, and hoping upon hope that you bring home a limit of woodies...maybe I'll feel different about it when I'm in my late 70's and on blood thinners.

    I miss the people (most of them), the cooking, the passion for college football, and the anticipation of a big large-mouth inhaling my buzzbait. That said, the realistic anticipation I have of a 180" or bigger buck walking in every time I'm in a stand; the ability to hunt and kill 6+ species of big game within a 40 minute drive; holding out for something other than the ever-present mallards to round out my daily duck limit; the ability to shoot a limit of doves, sand-hill cranes, and ducks and be home before dark; and only having to endure 30-40 days of 90 degree, dry weather.....well, it eases the sting plenty. The very best part...I'll never encounter any of the left-wing whackadoodles running around protesting and trying to impose their will on the folks around them, as the places I choose to live are not comfortable enough for the woke pussies.
    “I can’t wait ‘till I’m grown” is the stupidest @!#* I ever said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitewaterDuck View Post
    There is only one place in the continental US where anyone would think the winters drag on longer than the summers in the SE, and that is the upper UP of Michigan...and that is only because of the amount of time it takes to melt the insane amount of lake effect snow. Those folks look forward to the snow kicking into high gear because they get out and play hard in it.

    Once you spend a little time in an extremely cold environment, cold doesn't seem to cold at all. I'd be running around in shorts and a t-shirt on sunny mid-30 degree days in IN, and it felt great. I know some people who say you acclimate to the heat in the same way, but running around anywhere in 90+ degree weather feels hot and flat out sucks...add the humidity of the SE, slapping mosquitoes while hunting in December, and hoping upon hope that you bring home a limit of woodies...maybe I'll feel different about it when I'm in my late 70's and on blood thinners.

    I miss the people (most of them), the cooking, the passion for college football, and the anticipation of a big large-mouth inhaling my buzzbait. That said, the realistic anticipation I have of a 180" or bigger buck walking in every time I'm in a stand; the ability to hunt and kill 6+ species of big game within a 40 minute drive; holding out for something other than the ever-present mallards to round out my daily duck limit; the ability to shoot a limit of doves, sand-hill cranes, and ducks and be home before dark; and only having to endure 30-40 days of 90 degree, dry weather.....well, it eases the sting plenty. The very best part...I'll never encounter any of the left-wing whackadoodles running around protesting and trying to impose their will on the folks around them, as the places I choose to live are not comfortable enough for the woke pussies.
    Way to rub it in..
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    I’d live there, as long as I could move somewhere else from November - March.

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    Lived in northern North Dakota for a couple years. Never locked the door, killed my first turkey in the back yard, also had moose, duck, pheasant, dove and one fox in the front yard. However when it snowed in October, the ground was covered till mid March. The people were as friendly as they come. Still own a couple acres in Milton. Married a woman from South Dakota, but I am not going back.

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    Grand Forks as a SAC base was good. As an ACC base, not so much.


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