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    Lakeside residents question rate hike
    WYFF 4 Updated: 11:39 PM EDT Jun 15, 2019
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    LAKE HARTWELL —
    Permits for private docks like those in Lake Hartwell will go up starting Jan. 1 next year.

    Neighbors with lakefront properties got a notice in the mail, and now some want to know where their money will go. "We understand it, that life goes up in cost, but all of the sudden we've got these 400% or 200% jumps … What exactly is behind that?" said Bubba Britton, who lives along Lake Hartwell.


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    The higher fee is for private docks and land-based facility permits along some federal waterways, including Lake Hartwell.

    Other waterways that will see this increase are J. Strom Thurmond Lake on the Georgia-South Carolina border, Okeechobee Waterway in Florida, Allatoona Lake and Lake Sidney Lanier in Georgia, Walter F. George Lake and West Point Lake on the Georgia-Alabama border, Lake Seminole on the Georgia-Florida border, Philpott Lake in Virginia, W. Kerr Scott Lake in North Carolina and John H. Kerr Lake on the North Carolina-Virginia border.

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said it needs to raise permit fees to $835 to cover administrative costs. "The government is not doing this to make money. No, we're doing this to recover the fees of what it costs us to issue those permits," said Billy Birdwell, senior public affairs specialist with the Savannah District at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

    In a letter to the Corps, some state representatives, including South Carolina's Jeff Duncan, asked for a reason why there was no public input before raising the price for a permit.

    The Corps tells WYFF News 4 it is working with the community and lawmakers, but some residents in Lake Hartwell said they hope this raise in rates won't drive out older neighbors who simply can't afford to pay more.

    "There are folks who live on the lake who very well may have hardships with those costs," Britton said. "And you'd just hate to lose the community that is Lake Hartwell."

    Neighbors along Lake Hartwell in Clemson, South Carolina, said they support measures to make their lake safer but question this increase for administrative costs.

    They tell WYFF News 4 their old payments were $435 for a dock permit.

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said that while residents can't prepay this year's rate for a permit due next year, they can save money by bundling projects together be covered under one permit.

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    How much administration does it take to amass $835? Must be more paperwork than a mortgage.

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    Look at what FEMA did when they just chose to raise the flood elevation on Lake Wateree 5 ft.. Five f****** feet on whim, WHOA fought them and beat them in court, but it hurt a bunch of people. They've lowered it now in most places.

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    To say that government is getting beyond inefficient is an understatement. Poor farmers in California had their lands condemned for idiotic high speed rail, 3 years ago and still haven't seen a dime. When one of them asked how he was supposed to irrigate his mature walnut trees, without irrigation because they tore it all out of the ground, he was told to dig them up, put them in pots and use a hose for the time being...

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    Hell, they have been beyond for along time. They ain't just getting there.
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    Are dock permits a yearly fee or a one time when building?

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    Im around the coe folks a good bit where i work, every time i see them i just shake my head and think what a waste of our tax money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto Bug View Post
    Are dock permits a yearly fee or a one time when building?
    I believe they are 5 year permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JABIII View Post
    To say that government is getting beyond inefficient is an understatement. Poor farmers in California had their lands condemned for idiotic high speed rail, 3 years ago and still haven't seen a dime. When one of them asked how he was supposed to irrigate his mature walnut trees, without irrigation because they tore it all out of the ground, he was told to dig them up, put them in pots and use a hose for the time being...
    Government is nothing but the process without accomplishing a damn thing.

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    Got my notice in the mail Friday. It's a 5 year permit. Going from $435 to $835. Raising it to recoup costs of issuing permits my ass. You send them a check and they send you a receipt. Not a lot of cost there. I have talked to my Corps guy twice in the last 5 years. Both times to get permission to cut dead/blow down trees, 30 second conversations.

    If the Corps were worth a crap at actually managing lake levels I wouldn't mind paying it. All were getting is the same nothing for twice the cost....

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    You could deal with the Santee Cooper water management geniuses
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    You could deal with the Santee Cooper water management geniuses
    No doubt... we are in a drought but still flooded???
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    Just remember, when you hear “we are from the government and we are here to help”. You are screwed. This is a prime example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    You could deal with the Santee Cooper water management geniuses
    It ain't just Santee-Cooper
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    I felt the need to make a reply.. Still doesn't mean I'm completely happy, but I've had someone dealing with FEMA for me. I got a call today about my flood insurance, basically being cut by thousands. I was also told I would be refunded my overpayments in form of a check being mailed out now. They fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turk View Post
    Im around the coe folks a good bit where i work, every time i see them i just shake my head and think what a waste of our tax money.
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    $835 for a dock that sits on the ground half the time

    Quote Originally Posted by We Jeep Inn View Post
    Got my notice in the mail Friday. It's a 5 year permit. Going from $435 to $835. Raising it to recoup costs of issuing permits my ass. You send them a check and they send you a receipt. Not a lot of cost there. I have talked to my Corps guy twice in the last 5 years. Both times to get permission to cut dead/blow down trees, 30 second conversations.

    If the Corps were worth a crap at actually managing lake levels I wouldn't mind paying it. All were getting is the same nothing for twice the cost....

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    If I did the math right the core should be making @ minimum 1.5 million a year in dock fees just on lake Hartwell. How the hell can it cost thy much to
    Issue a permit?

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