Interesting take on the shutdown

**quackaddict** · 01-16-2019, 10:48 AM

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...down_trap.html

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**JABIII** · 01-16-2019, 11:03 AM

People can't conceive what is happening. They are so asleep at the wheel, that they will not believe that they have actually just lost their livelihoods due to President Trump reducing the size of the government. I hope he keeps it up all year. It will be painful, but God knows we need to feel a lot of pain in this country...

**Moonlight Hunter** · 01-16-2019, 11:16 AM

I heard an interesting theory in a podcast I was listening to last night. Guy was talking about the Trump tax cuts right after they were passed, and said they would never be effective unless we reduced the size of the federal government or reduced spending. He also said the Fed needed to keep raising rates since we've had such an artificially inflated economy since the stimulus of 2009. Neither of those first two things happened, and the fed just signaled they will ease up on rate hikes this coming year. He said if Trump didn't get creative or take a hardline on something, the tax cuts would be disastrous, and predicted Trump would be primaried. It looks like what he predicted is playing out in this government shutdown with Trump taking a hardline on the wall.

**Gander** · 01-16-2019, 11:26 AM

The most puzzling thing about this is how the Media is locating folks that are feeling the pain of the partial shutdown. Rolling them out one after one so they can tell their story of the hardship their families are enduring.

But during the previous administration when Obama was effectively trying to kill of entire industries like the coal and steel plants, not a peep about their struggles. Since they were deemed as undesirable jobs according to the Liberal playbook, its perfectly ok for those people to lose their jobs. But now that the Government jobs are feeling the pinch, it's a National tragedy at the hands of Trump.

Maybe we will shrink the Government as a result of the shutdown but I'm not betting on it.

**JABIII** · 01-16-2019, 11:44 AM

No. Me either, but one can hope.

**Ring King** · 01-16-2019, 11:58 AM

So does the Coast Guard need this "shrinking" as well? We are already very understaffed at 42,000 members for the job we are tasked with. So does our level of responsibilties need to be reduced? Maybe we should stop patrolling along the South American coast for cocaine smugglers?

All I know is that when I signed up and took an oath it was under the assumption that at minimum I would be paid for my sacrifices that I make for the country. It's a hard pill to swallow facing a 95 day deployment in the near future when I'm not currently receiving a paycheck!

**jwmetz** · 01-16-2019, 12:18 PM

A person agrees to work for a wage and should be paid accordingly if they are doing the job. Other ways to play politics imo.

**Ring King** · 01-16-2019, 12:20 PM

You know, it wouldn't be so bad if they'd let me stay home. Afterall, it is still duck season! Having to come to work while not getting paid is what blows!!!

**Bownut** · 01-16-2019, 12:20 PM

7 yrs. 69 days 3 hrs. 39 mins. and counting.

**sftull** · 01-16-2019, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bownut

7 yrs. 69 days 3 hrs. 39 mins. and counting.

Is that the date of your last bowl movement or what?

**BOGSTER** · 01-16-2019, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ring King

So does the Coast Guard need this "shrinking" as well? We are already very understaffed at 42,000 members for the job we are tasked with. So does our level of responsibilties need to be reduced? Maybe we should stop patrolling along the South American coast for cocaine smugglers?

All I know is that when I signed up and took an oath it was under the assumption that at minimum I would be paid for my sacrifices that I make for the country. It's a hard pill to swallow facing a 95 day deployment in the near future when I'm not currently receiving a paycheck!

Should definitely stop patrolling the coast of South America for Cocaine. Stupid to begin with.

That said, sorry for your troubles, but if this is what it take someone to stop that bullshit wad of people just piling in everyday, then so be it.

I support the prez fully, hot damn, he’s taking a stand.

**Ring King** · 01-16-2019, 12:45 PM

Oh don't get my wrong!!! I'm still on the train!!! Build a wall and build it tall and wide. In fact a mine field all along it would be great too! Having lived in states with what seemed like as many illegals as legal residents I've seen some of the problems that are directly caused by the influx of illegal immigrants.

**Gander** · 01-16-2019, 12:50 PM

In a shutdown, Congress shouldn't get paid. And they sure as hell shouldn't be in Puerto Rico hob knobbing with a bunch of lobbyists. They need to feel the pain too. No limousine, no security detail, no nothing.

**Moonlight Hunter** · 01-16-2019, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ring King

So does the Coast Guard need this "shrinking" as well? We are already very understaffed at 42,000 members for the job we are tasked with. So does our level of responsibilties need to be reduced? Maybe we should stop patrolling along the South American coast for cocaine smugglers?

All I know is that when I signed up and took an oath it was under the assumption that at minimum I would be paid for my sacrifices that I make for the country. It's a hard pill to swallow facing a 95 day deployment in the near future when I'm not currently receiving a paycheck!

Hopefully the Coast Guard funding bill, which has bipartisan support, is passed. Until then, that sucks, and I hope you get some relief soon.

Taking emotions out of the equation, I do think every federal agency needs "shrinking". Some(not the Coast Guard) need to be axed altogether. Coast Guard has a vital mission, and they execute it well. The number of illegal immigrants apprehended at sea on the west coast has increased by 10x over the past two years. That signals to me that more stress and strain will be placed on Coasties here domestically with more focus being placed on illegal border crossings by land. Trump has promised two new polar-class ice breakers for the Coast Guard, with the first scheduled to cost $750 million dollars. Sheesh.

**Moonlight Hunter** · 01-16-2019, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gander

In a shutdown, Congress shouldn't get paid. And they sure as hell shouldn't be in Puerto Rico hob knobbing with a bunch of lobbyists. They need to feel the pain too. No limousine, no security detail, no nothing.

I read an argument against that point recently. The theory is that by not allowing congress to get paid, the wealthier congressmen can not impart unfair influence over the poorer members by threatening or executing a shutdown. Essentially holding paychecks hostage until they fall in line.

Now, we know in modern times most congressmen become rich after one term anyway, so it doesn't hold a lot value as to why they should still be paid when other federal employees are not. And all we're doing is holding other federal employees' paychecks hostage anyway.

**Stripa Swipa** · 01-16-2019, 01:46 PM

Trump is running a trillion dollar deficit. The government isn't shrinking. How did the great one let Mexico paying for the wall turn in to Rink King not getting a paycheck? Never saw that one coming,..(sarcasm alert.)

**JABIII** · 01-16-2019, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ring King

So does the Coast Guard need this "shrinking" as well? We are already very understaffed at 42,000 members for the job we are tasked with. So does our level of responsibilties need to be reduced? Maybe we should stop patrolling along the South American coast for cocaine smugglers?

All I know is that when I signed up and took an oath it was under the assumption that at minimum I would be paid for my sacrifices that I make for the country. It's a hard pill to swallow facing a 95 day deployment in the near future when I'm not currently receiving a paycheck!

I have been waiting on this post from you.

Yes. I would not spend a damn dime on drug interdiction. Biggest fiscal fail in the history of our country. Sell the shit out of the ships wasted on that goatfuck and pay you guys. Hell what they are wasting trying that Sinaloan peasant Juan Guzman Loera would probably fund it.

I have been thinking about you guys in this tough situation...

**XHailGC** · 01-16-2019, 02:06 PM

https://www.apnews.com/f439da6c42d5446a92b5d2306e63aa72

**SaltMuck** · 01-16-2019, 02:10 PM

I was told to open my office for the 3 days, just in the event someone comes by with a question. Work on something while I am there? The bosses say it better not happen. Oh, and I don’t get paid. Makes perfect sense.