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    Default 2018 Ducks Unlimited Duck Population Survey

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    Down hill slope?

    I think it was brought up a while back about the ongoing complaints of ducks stopping short of their usual wintering grounds, speculation over food abundance and mild winters. I wonder if the same could be true about ducks travelling farther north to breed?
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    Not good news for the 2019-2020 season...
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    At least we will all have an excuse for not killing birds.....


    I’m surprised at the huge decrease in gadwall numbers.
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    I just think there are so many variables with the "counts" that you can't put a lot of stock in it.
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    No blackducks? List is garbage...

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    I've never seen any correlation with these bullshit DU numbers and real duck numbers

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    That is a fact Sportin.

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    These aren't DU numbers - they're USFWS numbers that just came out today - they'll be used to set the 2019-2020 duck season...

    https://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/p...usReport18.pdf
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    US Fish & Wildlife does the survey. and you're right.. doesn't really matter for us in SC
    https://www.fws.gov/birds/news/18082...owl-status.php

    the pilot blogs are interesting to read
    https://www.fws.gov/birds/surveys-an...-crew-blog.php

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    Y'all ever seen what type of idiots the federal govt hires?

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    Here's a scary thought...

    The AHM protocol is based on the population dynamics and status of western mallard stocks in the Pacific Flyway, mid-continent mallard stocks in the Central and Mississippi Flyways, and a suite of waterfowl stocks in the Atlantic Flyway. In 2018, the Atlantic Flyway and the USFWS adopted a multi-stock AHM protocol that recognizes 4 populations of eastern waterfowl: American green-winged teal, wood ducks, ring-necked ducks, and goldeneyes. The regulatory choice for the Atlantic Flyway depends exclusively on the status of these waterfowl populations.
    https://www.fws.gov/birds/news/18082...management.php

    So, somehow the Atlantic Flyway council has agreed to base the length of our duck season on a duck that totals less than 10,000 a year killed in the entire Atlantic Flyway, from Florida to Maine (Goldeneye), a duck that is almost impossible to count (wood duck), a duck that is an unreliable migrant (green-winged teal) and a duck that no one cares about (Ring-necked duck).

    And, before anyone gets chafed, what I mean about the ring-necked duck is that no one, not one person is working to manage breeding habitat for ringnecks.
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    The new guy in charge at broad river wma manages for ringnecks (rumor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungBuckTX View Post
    The new guy in charge at broad river wma manages for ringnecks (rumor)
    I said - breeding habitat. I know folks manage to kill ringnecks just not to grow new ones.
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    I don't think they even count on the eastern Canada provinces do they? Pretty sure if memory serves me correctly many of our Atlantic Flyway birds come from. That and obviously the FF data that shows many Atlantic mallards come from the Great Lakes area.
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    Oh, what on Earth would happen if they changed the SC mallard limit to 2??????

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    rh-what would you consider to be "managing for breeding stock" of ringos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungBuckTX View Post
    US Fish & Wildlife does the survey. and you're right.. doesn't really matter for us in SC


    the pilot blogs are interesting to read
    https://www.fws.gov/birds/surveys-an...-crew-blog.php


    If you scroll down, you'll see the blog from Walt Rhodes, former SC Waterfowl biologist. He's now a USFWS pilot doing surveys up there.

    He also did a study and paper on the Great Lake Mallards and what percentage they make up SC's mallard harvest. The FF used his data when we went to Penn and to Delta Waterfowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2thDoc View Post
    rh-what would you consider to be "managing for breeding stock" of ringos?
    I don't know first-hand but my understanding is that ringnecks tend to breed in the boreal forest regions of the sub-arctic. These areas really aren't managed or even surveyed well. Most of the attention is on the “duck factory” of the prairie pothole region of the US and Canada. I have no doubt ringnecks have more than adequate wintering habitat just that no one is working to try to manage breeding habitat. We are basing 75% of our duck season on ducks that breed in unmanaged habitat and that are uncountable during the breeding season.

    https://birdsna.org/Species-Account/...c/introduction
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    Quote Originally Posted by abarill View Post

    I’m surprised at the huge decrease in gadwall numbers.

    Bog's responsible for it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberhead* View Post
    Here's a scary thought...

    https://www.fws.gov/birds/news/18082...management.php

    So, somehow the Atlantic Flyway council has agreed to base the length of our duck season on a duck that totals less than 10,000 a year killed in the entire Atlantic Flyway, from Florida to Maine (Goldeneye), a duck that is almost impossible to count (wood duck), a duck that is an unreliable migrant (green-winged teal) and a duck that no one cares about (Ring-necked duck).

    And, before anyone gets chafed, what I mean about the ring-necked duck is that no one, not one person is working to manage breeding habitat for ringnecks.

    Most of those ducks migrate straight down from North to South into the Atlantic Flyway. Ringnecks, Greenwing teal, Black ducks, and wood ducks would have been a better consideration. Wood ducks are hard to deal with since they raise all up and down the flyway.

    If they are saying Mallards aren't important enough to consider , then why were/are they considering a reduction in the mallard limit?
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