"Carbine" (why you pronounce it the way you do)

[Mergie Master]

[Highstrung]

Everytime I hear it, I think of "Carbine" Williams.

[smallwater]

Queers and nerds say it incorrectly.

[rp]

Everytime I hear it, I think of "Carbine" Williams.

I hear there is a right good museum set up in Camden with a lot of this man's guns.

[Mergie Master]

Everytime I hear it, I think of "Carbine" Williams.

Same with me.

[Highstrung]

I hear there is a right good museum set up in Camden with a lot of this man's guns.

Ross's, Ross Beard. He owned some interesting weapons. I've got some stuff from "Carbine" somewhere in my store, storage. Older style paper with a couple spent casings, I remember it was some letter thanking us (Traders), along with his writing and signature.

[Mergie Master]

I knew about him and the carbine he designed but I didn't realize just how much he did for the gun world and the military.

Colt hired him to design the Colt .22 - .45 Service Model Conversion Unit (Ace) for the 1911A1 for training.

U.S. Ordnance Department hired him to convert the .30 caliber Browning machine gun using the floating chamber system to fire .22 caliber rimfire ammunition to facilitate inexpensive training.

Winchester hired him to design sporting shotguns after the war. Benelli and Weatherby use his patents in shotguns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Marshall_Williams

[Highstrung]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.thest...e14440259.html


Pretty interesting collections, there's a little more on Carbine in it. I met Ross when I was younger on a dove shoot. I just remember staring at some funky shotgun.. Years and years later we would talk every now and again, he would be dining/drinking with an interesting group of people a couple few nights a week.

[smitch320]

Is the museum still open?

[Highstrung]

It's in Camden Archives. I'm not sure what all is displayed, but I drive by it a few times a day. When I get time I'll swing by it.


https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=145133375510729

[rrconductor]

I met Carbine at the Charlotte gun show in 1970 or 1971 at the old merchadise mart. That was when gun shows were without black guns and you could see some fine custom rifles and nice shotguns. Winchester 21's, nice model 12's, Browning Supers, nice Parkers, great L. C.'s, Bakers, 09 Argentine actions, 33/40 actions were a dime a dozen . I wish I had the knowledge then to buy all I could, but alas I didn't.

Sometime being 66yrs. old has it's drawbacks.

[Hummer]

Carbine came to the Spartanburg Gun show about 65 or so and he had the first one made in prison and a 2 LR belt fed MG. They are not in Camden Collection for some reason. I had heard that he carried a pair of Gov't Mod 45s so I asked if him if he still did. He said Nope, pulled back his coat to expose one and other side of his coat to expose is flask and I don't think it had Hoppe's Bore Cleaner in it haha.

FWIW if you have one make sure to inspect it CLOSELY AND OFTEN for below cracks. Hairline crack from rear of extractor.


Bottom of same bolt with crack initiation starting at 4:00 and stopped at intersection of the locking lug and bolt body.


Be advised they are known for this and have caused deaths I learned about while I worked at the Army Small Cal Weapons Lab in product engineering. If you reload for it STAY OFF THE HOT LOADS ! ! ! ! ! !

When I was at the Federal Law Enf Tng Center we had a student sustain a lug failure on the range and I was tasked with the investigation of why and to submit recommendation on how to make sure it did not occur again. He was lucky as the extractor just gashed his forehead and did not enter cranial vault.

There were a number of these failures sustained in Korea. The guy that trained me told me his brother was infantry in Korea and he helped put the victims in body bags with bolt parts sticking out of forehead. Don't know who the manufacturer was as there were several.

The pics above are from my own carbine. A friend was shooting it when it happened. I put a new bolt in it and sold it.

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