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    Who owns large tracts of land?

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    Descendants of rich people? Timber companies? Gold mining companies? Not me.

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    All of the tax breaks, subsidies, etc associated with this stuff is utter horseshit. It's a recipe for waste and corruption. If I want to buy some land and plant a duck impoundement or quail woods then so be. But the government doesn't need to be giving me a dime of tax payer dollars to do so. Land management and conservation should be the sole job of non profits and individuals. Simple as that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckman88 View Post
    I just believe that it is disproportionally favorable to and utilized by wealthy landowners.
    Last time I checked, it was the wealthy land owners that own the land worth protecting. That value of the tax benefit is the difference in the land with and without the easement. If the land is junk to begin with, there is no tax benefit by adding a restriction on development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynchmob View Post
    Last time I checked, it was the wealthy land owners that own the land worth protecting. That value of the tax benefit is the difference in the land with and without the easement. If the land is junk to begin with, there is no tax benefit by adding a restriction on development.
    I understand how the process works. That bolded statement gets into a sticky area, what is 'worth protecting'? If you think that CE's only go to the most valuable of lands that must be protected, you are fooling yourself. Check out the link below:

    http://sccbank.sc.gov/GrantsMap/Pages/default.aspx

    So glad my tax dollars can go to protecting row crop land in Marlboro County...
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    Conservation easements can be put on any kind of land however the financial value to the landowner depends greatly on the value of the land at stake.
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    So Duckman what seems to be the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calibogue View Post
    Conservation easements can be put on any kind of land however the financial value to the landowner depends greatly on the value of the land at stake.
    That is not true. The land must meet one of the qualifying principles or 'conservation purposes' in order to qualify for a CE. Deed restrictions/covenants can be placed on any type of property. Also, I would say equally important, with regard to the value of the 'donation', are the portion of the bundle of rights given up by the landowner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calibogue View Post
    So Duckman what seems to be the problem?
    The government redistributing our tax dollars. People want to get all up in arms about food stamps and obama phones. But give them some money for planting a corn pond and now all of a sudden everything ain't so bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh chicken View Post
    The government redistributing our tax dollars. People want to get all up in arms about food stamps and obama phones. But give them some money for planting a corn pond and now all of a sudden everything ain't so bad...
    You have to be careful with this, to my knowledge the conservation bank either purchases properties that are deemed to be critical to conserve or they provide funding to help third party land trusts to put properties under CE's. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (cant remember if the bank does CE's itself but I don't think so?). My issue, Calibogue is that my tax dollars have gone to CE's that are most certainly not 'critical habitat' in SC. Not only that, but my tax dollars go to a CE on a private property and the citizens do not get any type of ability to access said land. I just have to believe that I am somehow benefiting from it.
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    Critical habitat as you say is not the sole reason for conservation easements In South Carolina. The main function of conservation easements is to maintain a rural and agricultural landscape across areas that are historically so. Without conservation easements most of you would not be able to duck hunt in South Carolina today! Also the conservation Bank does not purchase easements and furthermore funding for easements is prioritized by the nonprofits such as the nature conservancy Congaree Land Trust Beaufort County open Land Trust Lowcountry open Land Trust they are the ones who gather to rank these properties and determine who gets funded for a purchased easement which by the way caps out at $250 per acre.
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    Get a forester, surveyor, soil scientist, DNR , corp of engineers, EPA to give you a conservation easement with spending a truckload of money for drain tiles, ditching, grassing of ditches, water quality monitors and a bunch of other stuff to suit everyone. If you think it's easy to get an Conservation bank , buy a couple thousand acres and check back in when you get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timsmith View Post
    Get a forester, surveyor, soil scientist, DNR , corp of engineers, EPA to give you a conservation easement with spending a truckload of money for drain tiles, ditching, grassing of ditches, water quality monitors and a bunch of other stuff to suit everyone. If you think it's easy to get an Conservation bank , buy a couple thousand acres and check back in when you get it.
    Oh so it takes shitloads of money to get a conservation easement? I thought this program wasn't catered towards wealthy land owners??


    If they did away with conservation easements tomorrow it wouldn't change a damn thing on the landscape. People build duck habitat because they want to kill ducks...not because they get a tax break. People plant CRP because they like to shoot birds, work their dog, etc. They aren't doing it because Uncle Sam sends them a check and tells them they are good citizens. Critical habitat can and will be protected by wealthy individuals and non profits. Uncle Sam has zero business in the real estate game.

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    Tim, a conservation/mitigation bank is far different from a conservation easement.....
    Any, yes....banks are difficult at best establishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calibogue View Post
    Critical habitat as you say is not the sole reason for conservation easements In South Carolina. The main function of conservation easements is to maintain a rural and agricultural landscape across areas that are historically so. Without conservation easements most of you would not be able to duck hunt in South Carolina today! Also the conservation Bank does not purchase easements and furthermore funding for easements is prioritized by the nonprofits such as the nature conservancy Congaree Land Trust Beaufort County open Land Trust Lowcountry open Land Trust they are the ones who gather to rank these properties and determine who gets funded for a purchased easement which by the way caps out at $250 per acre.
    So do you think that giving a landowner our tax dollars for putting their row crop land in BFE in a CE is a good use of those funds?

    I think that there are some properties that are great candidates for conservation easements and I think that the bank has made some great purchases of properties that have total public access (kind of) particularly along the coast and the state's waterways. But, due to the ambiguity of the law, I think that individuals (particularly rich ones with savy lawyers) take advantage of it and our tax dollars.
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    Yes, I believe the protection of rural and critical lands is SC is of utmost importance!
    I also believe all of us are fortunate so many acres jave been protected in perpetuity from development.
    You may not see it but I assure you you grandchildren will
    ACE Basin is solely wjat it is today because of CE's......it could and would have been one developed barrier island on top of another!
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    Also, most CE's are not purchased....they are donated and LO's only receive tax benefits, no cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calibogue View Post
    Also, most CE's are not purchased....they are donated and LO's only receive tax benefits, no cash.
    Not to mention in most cases it depreciates the value of the land depending on the restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh chicken View Post
    Oh so it takes shitloads of money to get a conservation easement? I thought this program wasn't catered towards wealthy land owners??


    If they did away with conservation easements tomorrow it wouldn't change a damn thing on the landscape. People build duck habitat because they want to kill ducks...not because they get a tax break. People plant CRP because they like to shoot birds, work their dog, etc. They aren't doing it because Uncle Sam sends them a check and tells them they are good citizens. Critical habitat can and will be protected by wealthy individuals and non profits. Uncle Sam has zero business in the real estate game.
    Hell yeah it takes deep pockets. All timber companies are getting tax breaks. Getting 20-40$ a acre for pines. How about your child tax credit at tax time , should Uncle Sam reward you for having a child ? Same thing. I pay school tax and don't have any kids in high school anymore. As for critical habitat, it's being sold everyday. Before long from Charleston to 95 will be wall to wall houses. Would you rather see a tract of land with a easement or a super Walmart? The Walmart mean no easement and owners didn't give a damn. That easement on that tract of land next to Walmart is protected from development due to the easement.

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