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[HRC Dogs]

It sure would be boring.. I believe that I’m beginning to form some thoughts about this rhetoric.

A fish is a cold blooded animal that has a 2 chambered heart. Where man is warm blooded and has a 4 chambered heart. Does this mean that Fish only has half a heart?

I suspect Fish owns a Boykin.

As the saying goes..be prepared to get dirty if you choose to wrestle with a pig and always understand the pig likes it!

This job might best be handled by a professional pig herder!

[Fish]

[quote]Originally posted by Duckman#1:
[QB]

Thats BULLSHIT ! I guess all dogs are created equel? I guess Jurney told you that crap and you boought it.

Duckman#1, you're taking this personally. I knew you would...you always do. You're very predictable and also a bit of a hothead. I'm wondering if you are open to learning new things about dogs and/or the world around you...or are you one of those guys who has everything figured out already? Are you an educated man? Are you a man that takes useful knowledge from science? I'm thinking that based on your little ankle attacks, you're not much of a learner. And that goes for several of you others who so graciously took the time to read this, get all bent up, and then proceed to tell me in your own individual little sarcasms just how unknowledgable you are about dogs.

And one other thing Mr. DuckMan#1, you would be better served keeping people who are NOT IN the converstaion, OUT of the conversation. The writer of the recommended book is not in question...so shut the fuck up about him. If you want to recommend a book, then do it, but bad mouthing someone who has nothing to do with this is in very poor form. Keep your anger focused at me. I'm the one telling you that world is not flat.

Riverdog, training philosophies are not in question here and neither is my dog. You would be ill advised to side with Costa on anything dog related.

Apparently, BrownDog is a drinker of the feel good coolaid too. He also has managed to put in his two cents about something that he "feels" without actually adding anything of substance to the thread. Yes Browny, your dog loves you and wants you to be happy.

My dog is not a Boykin and a heart is not required to understand the realities of how a dog sees the world.

I will say this to each and every one of you just as I have done several times before. If you can show me where a reputable dog trainer has written anything in a book or a magazine to refute what I have said, I will STOP posting in this training forum forever. Until one of you can produce a plausible alternate theory based in science and not in your own feelings, you really should stay out of this argument.

So, I defer the floor back to you Mr. Sensative. Do you have an alternate theory or even a coherent thought on the topic? Again, I'm dying to hear what you think.

[Fish]

Hey Costa, what's up with this post and delete thing you got workin? You do remember what happened the last time you did that...don't you Mr. Pro-Staffer? [img]graemlins/lamoo.gif[/img]

Seriously, did you have something to add?

[HuntinCosta]

Some times I have to take a step back and realize you arent worth wasting time on.

[Riverdog]

Originally posted by Fish:


Riverdog, training philosophies are not in question here and neither is my dog. You would be ill advised to side with Costa on anything dog related.

I'm not questioning anyone's philosophies nor anyone's dog. I'm not taking sides either. I'm really just an observer. That's taking a scientific approach, right? Observe the world around you, collect data, test theories by experimentation, etc. So, all I was really asking to do was observe and learn. If this is not acceptable to you, just say so.

[WC's feather duster]

Asshole of the year goes to...............


You guessed it, Fishdick. Everybody give him a hand.

[Turd Ferguson]

You boys need to figure out where the light switch is and turn FISH off - he feeds off your animosity and harsh words-- remember what "O" stands for....

Anytime I feel the need for angst I call his name 3 times and just like Beatlejuice her appears

[Turd Ferguson]

LOL you guys are killing me making me spell it out for you- this one about made me shit my innurds out

[Fish]

Dear Mr. Observer,

I'm not the one who is having issues with acceptance. If you have something to add, by all means, add it.

Costa,

I'm sure you think that was enlightened...maybe even clever. But it wasn't, you wishy washy twerp.

And finally, my dearest Mr. IChangeMyScreenNameWeekly, thank you for the "Asshole of the year" accolade. It means so much coming from you.

Turd, stop telling people how to diffuse me. Besides, it only works when I'm not bored, and today, I'm bored out of my mind. [img]graemlins/devil-flip.gif[/img]

[Duckman#1]

Now thats talent right there Turd!


HRCdogs, Fishdick might have a Boykin. Thats fine. But I'll bet he paid to have it trained. Them Boykins aint got no talent! ! !

so shut the fuck up about him.

Or what ?!

Talk about ankle biter!

[Fish]

Wrong again on all counts.

[Back 40]

Holy Shit Ducks03 you really stirred the fucking pot on this one. If I were you (and I am not) I would digest this all very carefully. It is very clear who is just trying to help and who is 5 fucking years old and has to lash out at every single person that does not agree with her thoughts. I am by no means an expert on this subject but Fish is the last fucking person I would take any advice from just because of his lack of people skills. [img]graemlins/flipa.gif[/img]

[Fish]

Originally posted by Back 40:
I am by no means an expert on this subject but Fish is the last fucking person I would take any advice from just because of his lack of people skills.

See now, that's real intellegence.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally posted by Fish:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Back 40:
I am by no means an expert on this subject but Fish is the last fucking person I would take any advice from just because of his lack of people skills.

See now, that's real intellegence. </font>[/QUOTE]ahem.. LOL-- you asked for it..

intelligence

[BrownDog]

Quotes from Fish –

“First, dogs DO NOT possess a desire to please. This is bullshit no matter what anybody says. I'm not going to take the time to explain it to you other than to say its nothing more than feel good terminology very much like the word "talent". It just doesn't exist.”

“For what its worth, when a dog is chasing bumpers or retreiving birds for you they are satisfying three things. The dog is maintaining close proximity to the alpha, he is satisfying his routine of following certain orders given by the lead dog, and he is satisfying the natural chase/hunt instinct. Most importantly in my mind, he is always gonna stay as close as possible to the alpha just in case an opprotunity presents itself for him to take the lead as the alpha. He is always thinking about being alpha because this would allow him first shot at spreading his genetic material. This is the way they think, in varying degrees, regardless of whether they are nuetered, young, old, male, female, etc, etc.”

“I will say this to each and every one of you just as I have done several times before. If you can show me where a reputable dog trainer has written anything in a book or a magazine to refute what I have said, I will STOP posting in this training forum forever. Until one of you can produce a plausible alternate theory based in science and not in your own feelings, you really should stay out of this argument.”

Fish – Have you ever heard of Rex Carr? When asked why his dogs fly around like they love what they are doing he answered, “Because they do love what they are doing! No one has robbed them of the Joy of their work through heavy-handedness in the guise of training.” Talk to anyone that has worked directly for him and you will see that he spent allot of time evaluating a dogs mental health. These are direct Quotes for men that worked directly for him as assistant trainers, Evan Graham and Mike Lardy.
Rex Carr is in direct opposition of your above quotes. Now please stop posting in the Training Forum Forever!!

[Duckman#1]

I agree Browndog. Nothing breaks my heart any more than to see a handler(a lot of them pro's) walk to the line and their dog acts like it's afraid of it's own shadow. I just don't understand how they can pressure a dog to that point.

Evan and Mike are two of the best there are hands down!

[deadriver]

Aw hell, Fish has not heard of anyone who actually competes to win! But he does like to promote others who have never had to stand up and be first or last.

I invited him to bring his fine dog out to a derby or qual last year. Never heard anything...

It is good when folks know their dog's and their own limitations.

Your finished dog, should be able to handle the pup that replaced my dog that I made that challenge with (He was killed). But the clock is ticking, in 6 mos, he will be behind again..

I think Fish should start training all age bird dogs, and obedience dogs, and also dealing with aggression. The aggressive dog will give him fits, since they cant learn anything after about 8 mos or so......

Once and for all Fish. Put up or shut up.
- 1000.00 + ownership of loosing dog,
- 3 judges of mutual agreement,
-neutral grounds,
-on the first weekend in december.
-No limit to type or order of series, no limit to range, birds anywhere in 360 degrees, no limit to marks.

-Your finished dog vs. my bitch that is now in TT.

- No bull shit. I will draw a contract up and send it next day. Call me out or demonstrate your real knowledge and confidence in your dog.

-If your dog cant do that work, then you dont need to be hostile to others on here who have nice HT dogs and are trying to help others.

-Can you stand the chance of loosinig your little poochie, fru fru, pet. I can......

[HRC Dogs]

A couple of weekends ago, I visited the National Retriever Hall of Fame in Grand Junction TN. There was a lot of recognition about the contributions Rex Carr has provided to the retriever sport & training of dogs. He is the man!

Deadriver - that was an admirable challenge that you put forward. I really don't think it will be accepted. Fish does not understand the capabilities of his dog since he did not train it..he admitted it...he is not a dog trainer. Hell, he may not even be capable of handling the dog. Fish if you want someone to handle the dog for you.. I would be glad to help you out of this mess... My handling fee for the "win" would be Deadriver's dog..you can keep the $1,000 I hope you own a black dog! What the hell Fish, I'll take the your dog in for training at no charge for the next 5 months to get it ready!

This reminds me of "Pinks"...now we need a new name for this..

Gone Fish'n

[Fish]

Originally posted by BrownDog:
Fish – Have you ever heard of Rex Carr? When asked why his dogs fly around like they love what they are doing he answered, “Because they do love what they are doing! No one has robbed them of the Joy of their work through heavy-handedness in the guise of training.” Talk to anyone that has worked directly for him and you will see that he spent allot of time evaluating a dogs mental health. These are direct Quotes for men that worked directly for him as assistant trainers, Evan Graham and Mike Lardy.
Rex Carr is in direct opposition of your above quotes. Now please stop posting in the Training Forum Forever!!

Yes Brownie, I've heard of all of those guys. So what? Are you trying to make a point?

There is no correlation between robbing a dog of his joy and what a dog is thinking or what motivates him to do what he does. Nice try though.

deadriver, you're gettin a little carried away here son. I made one assertion about how dogs look at the world and now you and all the rest of these defensive fucks want my resume and a blood sample from my dog. What in the fuck is wrong with you dickheads? Go back and read what I said and then look at your rediculous challenge and tell me how any of that is relevant.

Let me help you out with this before you go and exert yourself. It ain't relevant and you're an asshole. No, I mean it. You're an asshole. You had to jump in here and throw down your little gauntlet because you don't like the way I come across. But YOU and the rest of those "trainers" have yet to refute my assertion that dogs do what they do for reasons other than your ill and preconcieved notions of some magical old wives tale bullshit and the "desire to please". [img]graemlins/lamoo.gif[/img] Give me a reasonable response or go somewhere and FUCK OFF.

Until one of you idiots can either produce a text from a reputable trainer or at least make a reasonable argument against what I said, none of you are worth your weight in shit. You can quote me all day long like little dickless Brownie here...but it just won't matter.

You have STILL made no argument.

And one last thing. Way to go Turd. You actually added something constructive...even if you were just being a smartass. [img]graemlins/fu.gif[/img]

[deadriver]

LOL.

As I thought. You are a mouthy peice of shit.

I was not looking to refute any statements you made. I dont have the time go over the numerous, erronous comments you have made.

I will refrain from the vulgarity that you utilize to present yourself. If you are a South Carolinian at all, I am ashamed that you are able to represent our fine state.

Your dogs blood sample is not desired. It is not relavent as to the breeding, the reference was to your mediocre training. No resume needed.

The offer stands. Your "finished dog" vs my untested puppy, a gentlemens wager the way things would havae been done before you could mouth off on here in anonymity.

- accept or decline the offer

Bryan