Farm relief

[Silentweapon338]

We have concrete on a section of 95 for goodness sake. With joints every 10 feet. Dah-dump, dah-dump, dah-dump, dah-dump. Why? The powerful legislator in the area owns a concrete company.

While this is true is he suppose to run out and fix the interstate just because?

That seems a bit odd to think a legislator is responsible for fixing the roads out of his own pocket.

The roads are a function of government, but to think a senator is some how responsible to fix a road because he happens to be in the concrete business seems really bizarre to me.

Irby st. is slam tore up too and is in need of horrible repair. Do you know why it hasn't been fixed yet?

The feds actually are totally responsible for the road. The state can not fix it if they wanted to.

This is just one stupid example of how convoluted government can get.

[ecu1984]

While this is true is he suppose to run out and fix the interstate just because?

That seems a bit odd to think a legislator is responsible for fixing the roads out of his own pocket.

The roads are a function of government, but to think a senator is some how responsible to fix a road because he happens to be in the concrete business seems really bizarre to me.

Irby st. is slam tore up too and is in need of horrible repair. Do you know why it hasn't been fixed yet?

The feds actually are totally responsible for the road. The state can not fix it if they wanted to.

This is just one stupid example of how convoluted government can get.

I could be wrong but I think his point was that maybe the interstate down there is concrete because he owns a concrete company

[mello_collins]

DT the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Think about that, before you cry about someone needing money from the government, aka our tax dollars. Think about who you're taking the money from, not just who you are giving it to.

You posted a poll and don't like the results. Go figure. I think we have seen that before.

How about a flat income tax or just a sales tax with no income tax for this state? It will never happen, as to many political pocketbooks are at stake. And yes I said pocketbooks, because most of yall are a bunch of nancy's with no balls or the integrity to do what is right.

[ProvidenceSwamper]

I could be wrong but I think his point was that maybe the interstate down there is concrete because he owns a concrete company

[Silentweapon338]

My bad I thought when I95 was originally created it was all concrete.
I was trying to find some info on it. I didn't but I did find this:

[Silentweapon338]

[Silentweapon338]

And I'm gonna say the sales pitch on the "New-type concrete" was a bit off.

It dang sure has wore rough! Which has decreased my driving pleasure!

[ProvidenceSwamper]

My bad I thought when I95 was originally created it was all concrete.
I was trying to find some info on it. I didn't but I did find this:

White man's home too. That Sombitch came right through my family's farm/swamp land and I got the pleasure of listening to jake brakes growing up.

[Bigtimber2]

Many things can be blamed on the feds, SC roads conditions is not one them. Everyone complains about government and politicans but the SC General Assembly is one of the most inept in the nation. We rank near the bottom in many of the basic areas while paying near the middle in taxes.

[Sparkleberry Ridge Runner]

Many things can be blamed on the feds, SC roads conditions is not one them. Everyone complains about government and politicans but the SC General Assembly is one of the most inept in the nation. We rank near the bottom in many of the basic areas while paying near the middle in taxes.

"But I tried".
"It's the Senates fault".
"You need to....."
"What you really want is......"
"I ran a poll and the people want...... but I know we need to......."
"You will all jump back on my bandwagon when you see my new wildlife bill."
I actually feel the way you do but I am nutless and would rather cave in order to get some small thing approved instead of standing up for what is right no matter what.

[Duck Tape]

DT the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Think about that, before you cry about someone needing money from the government, aka our tax dollars. Think about who you're taking the money from, not just who you are giving it to.

You posted a poll and don't like the results. Go figure. I think we have seen that before.

How about a flat income tax or just a sales tax with no income tax for this state? It will never happen, as to many political pocketbooks are at stake. And yes I said pocketbooks, because most of yall are a bunch of nancy's with no balls or the integrity to do what is right.

The road to hell is a decision.

Roads should be funded with a dedicated stream so that we don't argue every year and pit roads against other needs. A gas tax is the best because it is a user tax. Reduce another so it is revenue neutral.

Sales tax and income tax are 50/50 for budget.

Now explain this pocketbook theory. Which legislators? Certainly you have proof when you make allegations.

[Duck Tape]

"But I tried".
"It's the Senates fault".
"You need to....."
"What you really want is......"
"I ran a poll and the people want...... but I know we need to......."
"You will all jump back on my bandwagon when you see my new wildlife bill."
I actually feel the way you do but I am nutless and would rather cave in order to get some small thing approved instead of standing up for what is right no matter what.

The senate uses the threat of a filibuster to not take votes. They have to set important things for the special order calendar. The democrats and now the far right filibuster. The senate is dysfunctional in the state and federal government. It was set up that way intentionally so the mob does not rule.

[Fish]

Many things can be blamed on the feds, SC roads conditions is not one them. Everyone complains about government and politicans but the SC General Assembly is one of the most inept in the nation. We rank near the bottom in many of the basic areas while paying near the middle in taxes.

I don't doubt this at all. Where did you get this information? I searched "US State General Assembly Comparisons" but I didn't find a break down of the services vs tax rates.

[Bigtimber2]

I do not know of a direct comparsion. Here is link how we rank in state income taxes.

http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-c...south-carolina

The true functions of state government are limited, roads, schools, justice, public safety, etc.

You can easily find where we rank among those.

I take the captialist view of what SC residents receive vs the amount we pay. Some states have have higher rates but at least receive better services.

[Mergie Master]

Every single word of this is stupid.

That's called "rationalization". You'd be surprised at how good you can make a sin look (to yourself) using that technique. Trust me I've done it. Bill Clinton also did it when he said a blow job wasn't having sex.

[Duck Tape]

I know the line will not match up but SC ranks 50th in road spending per capita. It would be logical to have the worst roads especially when you compare how many miles of paved roads we have per other states.


2008: Spending per capita 2008 national rank: Spending per capita 2013: Spending per capita 2013 national rank: Spending per capita 2008 - 2013: Percent change in spending per capita
Alabama $406 36 $411 43 1% Details
Alaska $1,062 1 $1,344 3 27% Details
Arizona $447 30 $471 34 5% Details
Arkansas $366 44 $603 14 65% Details
California $402 38 $417 42 4% Details
Colorado $347 46 $489 29 41% Details
Connecticut $386 42 $551 21 43% Details
Delaware $773 3 $1,479 1 91% Details
Dist. of Col. $578 11 $665 12 15% Details
Florida $469 24 $487 30 4% Details
Georgia $402 39 $268 51 -33% Details
Hawaii $334 48 $329 47 -2% Details
Idaho $522 17 $491 27 -6% Details
Illinois $494 21 $443 37 -10% Details
Indiana $425 34 $430 40 1% Details
Iowa $499 19 $594 16 19% Details
Kansas $529 16 $490 28 -7% Details
Kentucky $560 14 $577 17 3% Details
Louisiana $561 13 $449 36 -20% Details
Maine $555 15 $531 24 -4% Details
Maryland $483 22 $418 41 -14% Details
Massachusetts $448 28 $436 38 -3% Details
Michigan $329 49 $305 50 -7% Details
Minnesota $448 29 $524 25 17% Details
Mississippi $457 26 $473 32 4% Details
Missouri $430 32 $398 44 -7% Details
Montana $666 6 $712 10 7% Details
Nebraska $753 4 $807 8 7% Details
Nevada $342 47 $381 45 12% Details
New Hampshire $518 18 $599 15 16% Details
New Jersey $450 27 $841 6 87% Details
New Mexico $428 33 $621 13 45% Details
New York $392 41 $432 39 10% Details
North Carolina $385 43 $457 35 19% Details
North Dakota $716 5 $1,412 2 97% Details
Ohio $402 37 $512 26 27% Details
Oklahoma $445 31 $472 33 6% Details
Oregon $362 45 $322 48 -11% Details
Pennsylvania $472 23 $558 19 18% Details
Rhode Island $397 40 $485 31 22% Details
South Carolina $325 50 $319 49 -2% Details
South Dakota $564 12 $801 9 42% Details
Tennessee $283 51 $337 46 19% Details
Texas $656 8 $567 18 -14% Details
Utah $461 25 $554 20 20% Details
Vermont $633 9 $827 7 31% Details
Virginia $495 20 $543 22 10% Details
Washington $595 10 $931 5 57% Details
West Virginia $656 7 $688 11 5% Details
Wisconsin $424 35 $535 23 26% Details
Wyoming $1,051 2 $974 4 -7%

[Murray]

I know the line will not match up but SC ranks 50th in road spending per capita. It would be logical to have the first roads especially when you compare how many miles of paved roads we have per other states.


2008: Spending per capita 2008 national rank: Spending per capita 2013: Spending per capita 2013 national rank: Spending per capita 2008 - 2013: Percent change in spending per capita
Alabama $406 36 $411 43 1% Details
Alaska $1,062 1 $1,344 3 27% Details
Arizona $447 30 $471 34 5% Details
Arkansas $366 44 $603 14 65% Details
California $402 38 $417 42 4% Details
Colorado $347 46 $489 29 41% Details
Connecticut $386 42 $551 21 43% Details
Delaware $773 3 $1,479 1 91% Details
Dist. of Col. $578 11 $665 12 15% Details
Florida $469 24 $487 30 4% Details
Georgia $402 39 $268 51 -33% Details
Hawaii $334 48 $329 47 -2% Details
Idaho $522 17 $491 27 -6% Details
Illinois $494 21 $443 37 -10% Details
Indiana $425 34 $430 40 1% Details
Iowa $499 19 $594 16 19% Details
Kansas $529 16 $490 28 -7% Details
Kentucky $560 14 $577 17 3% Details
Louisiana $561 13 $449 36 -20% Details
Maine $555 15 $531 24 -4% Details
Maryland $483 22 $418 41 -14% Details
Massachusetts $448 28 $436 38 -3% Details
Michigan $329 49 $305 50 -7% Details
Minnesota $448 29 $524 25 17% Details
Mississippi $457 26 $473 32 4% Details
Missouri $430 32 $398 44 -7% Details
Montana $666 6 $712 10 7% Details
Nebraska $753 4 $807 8 7% Details
Nevada $342 47 $381 45 12% Details
New Hampshire $518 18 $599 15 16% Details
New Jersey $450 27 $841 6 87% Details
New Mexico $428 33 $621 13 45% Details
New York $392 41 $432 39 10% Details
North Carolina $385 43 $457 35 19% Details
North Dakota $716 5 $1,412 2 97% Details
Ohio $402 37 $512 26 27% Details
Oklahoma $445 31 $472 33 6% Details
Oregon $362 45 $322 48 -11% Details
Pennsylvania $472 23 $558 19 18% Details
Rhode Island $397 40 $485 31 22% Details
South Carolina $325 50 $319 49 -2% Details
South Dakota $564 12 $801 9 42% Details
Tennessee $283 51 $337 46 19% Details
Texas $656 8 $567 18 -14% Details
Utah $461 25 $554 20 20% Details
Vermont $633 9 $827 7 31% Details
Virginia $495 20 $543 22 10% Details
Washington $595 10 $931 5 57% Details
West Virginia $656 7 $688 11 5% Details
Wisconsin $424 35 $535 23 26% Details
Wyoming $1,051 2 $974 4 -7%

Yep. We are 50th in funding and somewhere around 3-5th in amount of road miles the DOT is responsible for maintaining.

[Bigtimber2]

We have too many miles of paved roads because legislators used the DOT to dole out paybacks in the forum of road frontage. Now that they have over built they want push many state roads back on the counties to maintain. Most counties have done a decent job of keeping taxes low on the national average and the GA wants to exploit that now.

[ecu1984]

Many things can be blamed on the feds, SC roads conditions is not one them. Everyone complains about government and politicans but the SC General Assembly is one of the most inept in the nation. We rank near the bottom in many of the basic areas while paying near the middle in taxes.

And their answer is "prove it" "give me names" "surely you have evidence"
Same old bullshit from the same old douchebags