Nelson Mandela Dead

[badfaulkner]

I thought I was the only one who felt this way about him. We put nazis and milosevic on trial for the kinda shit he pulled and our flags are flying half mast?

[smallwater]

Fuck that, Mandela isn't an American Citizen. Want to fly a flag at half mast, then start flying them at half mast for those brave men and women being shipped back home from Afgahnistan in boxes. At least they've done something for this country to deserve that honor.

I agree wholeheartedly. And it seems that everytime I turn around, we're flying the flag at half mast, over some school shooting, hurricane, etc. Not to take anything away from these tragedies, but flying the flag at half mast should be a very rare event. Dropping it to half mast every month or so cheapens (and often politicizes) the gesture.

[Geetch]

Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack and the dick head in chief flies the flags as half mast today to Monday for Mandela or is he hoping for a two-fer-one deal?

[Saltydog235]

Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack and the dick head in chief flies the flags as half mast today to Monday for Mandela or is he hoping for a two-fer-one deal?

That SOS hasn't even given a thought to Pearl Harbor, he probably thinks that the Japanese were heroes for that attack.

[ReelHard]

That SOS hasn't even given a thought to Pearl Harbor, he probably thinks that the Japanese were heroes for that attack.

Fuck him and Nelson

[marshman]

Good

[Rodney]

That SOS hasn't even given a thought to Pearl Harbor, he probably thinks that the Japanese were heroes for that attack.

He will want to remember Pearl Harbor with an apology letter to the Japanese.

[badfaulkner]

John Brown is a hero in the minds of many, let's not forget. The same pieces of crackjam who call Lee a traitor do not see Brown's attack on Harper's Ferry as anything but just. Let alone the murders in Kansas and Missouri. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter....but political correctness has become the plumb line between those two distinctions. And its horseshit.

[BigBrother]

My grandmother's only dirty word, or phrase as it may be, was "John Brown it".

[Turd Ferguson]

3 Things You Didn’t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela
The hero of the anti-apartheid struggle was not the saint we want him to be.

The image of Nelson Mandela as a selfless, humble, freedom fighter turned cheerful, kindly old man, is well established in the West. If there is any international leader on whom we can universally heap praise it is surely he. But get past the halo we’ve placed on him without his permission, and Nelson Mandela had more than a few flaws which deserve attention.

He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

As President he bought a lot of military hardware

Inheriting a country with criminally deep socio-ecnomic problems, one might expect resources to be poured into redressing the imbalances of apartheid. Yet once in office, even Mandela’s government slipped into the custom of putting national corporatism, power and prestige above its people. Deputy Minister of Defence Ronnie Kasrils said in 1995 that the government’s planned cuts in defence spending could also result in the loss of as many as 90,000 jobs in defence-related industries.

Mandela’s government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane. Clearly, the all-powerful air armadas of Botswana weighed heavily on the minds of South African leaders…

Not content with jets, in 1999 a US$4.8 billion (R30 billion in 1999 rands) purchase of weaponry was finalised, which has been subject to allegations of corruption. The South African Department of Defence’s Strategic Defence Acquisition purchased a slew of shiny new weapons, including frigates, submarines, corvettes, light utility helicopters, fighter jet trainers and advanced light fighter aircraft.

Below are some of the purchases made, presumably to keep the expansionist intentions of Madagascar at bay…

Description

Original Qty

Illustrative total cost

Corvettes

4

R4 billion

Maritime helicopter for corvettes

5

R1 billion

New submarines to replace Daphne

4

R5,5 billion

Alouette helicopter replacement

60

R2 billion

Advanced light fighter

48

R6-9 billion

Main Battle Tank replacement of Olifant

154

R6 billion

Total cost in 1998 Rand

R25-38 billion

Mandela was friendly with dictators

Despite being synonymous with freedom and democracy, Mandela was never afraid to glad hand the thugs and tyrants of the international arena.

General Sani Abacha seized power in Nigeria in a military coup in November 1993. From the start of his presidency, in May 1994, Nelson Mandela refrained from publicly condemning Abacha’s actions. Up until the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in November 1995 the ANC government vigorously opposed the imposition of sanctions against Nigeria. Shortly before the meeting Mandela’s spokesman, Parks Mankahlana, said that “quiet persuasion” would yield better results than coercion. Even after the Nigerian government announced the death sentences against Saro-Wiwa and eight other Ogoni activists, during the summit, Mandela refused to condemn the Abacha regime or countenance the imposition of sanctions.

Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, in the 1990s, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia . Not only did Mandela refrain from criticising their lamentable human rights records but he interceded diplomatically on their behalf, and awarded them South Africa ‘s highest honour. Suharto was awarded a state visit, a 21-gun salute, and The Order of Good Hope (gold class).

In April 1999 Mandela acknowledged to an audience in Johannesburg that Suharto had given the ANC a total of 60 million dollars. An initial donation of 50 million dollars had been followed up by a further 10 million. The Telegraph ( London ) reported that Gaddafi was known to have given the ANC well over ten million dollars.

The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel. It is tempting, therefore, to simplify the subject by declaring that all who opposed it were wholly and unswervingly good. It’s important to remember, however, that Mandela has been the first to hold his hands up to his shortcomings and mistakes. In books and speeches, he goes to great length to admit his errors. The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.

[Turd Ferguson]

As world mourns, BuzzFeed totally destroys Nelson Mandela
Betsy Rothstein 11:33 AM 12/06/2013

Screw former South African President Nelson Mandela. F–k his time spent in prison to end apartheid. Who cares how many people he inspired? It’s been less than 24 hours since he died in Johannesburg and now it’s time to spit on his not even yet filled grave.

So while the rest of the world is writing hagiographies, leave it to BuzzFeed to cut him off at the knees with a listicle that will surely not warm your heart or make you LOL until your stomach hurts. This is major OMG all the way.

They include quotes from Mandela on everything from his “comrade” Fidel Castro to the United States being a threat to world peace and a country that does not care for human beings.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/06/as...#ixzz2mjFGTwRQ

[mudminnow]

The myth of Mandela is a lot different than the history of Mandela. Kind of sounds like the 16th president of the United States.

[ccleroy]

The myth of Mandela is a lot different than the history of Mandela. Kind of sounds like the 16th president of the United States.

Indeed

[Turd Ferguson]

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed.
Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

THE ANC'S VICTIMS WERE MOSTLY CIVILIANS:
1981 – 2 car bombs at Durban showrooms
1983 – Church Street Bomb (killed 19, wounded 217)
1984 – Durban car bomb (killed 5, wounded 27)
1985-1987 – At least 150 landmines on farm roads (killed 125)
1985 – Amanzimtoti Sanlam shopping centre bomb Dec 23 (killed 2 white women and 3 white children)
1986 – Magoo’s Bar bomb (killed 3, wounded 69)
1986 – Newcastle Court bomb (wounded 24)
1987 – Johannesburg Court bomb (killed 3, wounded 10)
1987 – Wits command centre car bomb (killed 1, wounded 68)
1988 – Johannesburg video arcade (killed 1 unborn baby, wounded 10)
1988 – Roodepoort bank bomb (killed 4, wounded 18)
1988 – Pretoria Police housing unit, 2 bombs (wounded 3)
1988 – Magistrate’s Court bomb (killed 3)
1988 – Benoni Wimpy Bar bomb (killed 1, wounded 56)
1988 – Witbank shopping centre bomb (killed 2, wounded 42)
1988 – Ellis Park Rugby Stadium car bomb (killed 2, wounded 37)
Late 1980s – numerous Wimpy Restaurant bombs (killed many, wounded many)
The ANC also made explosives disguised as children's toys. Apartheid was wrong, but Mandela was a violent, Marxist, terrorist

Crimes of Terrorist Nelson Mandela

Read here the crimes of the clever terrorist Nelson Mandela (most have never heard of, denied the opportunity by the treacherous liberal media) and understand why Amnesty International never accepted him as a political prisoner. Even as the world finally woke up to how wicked Winnie Mandela is, we must face reality about how dangerous and deceitful Nelson Mandela has been.

The fact is that even Amnesty International refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because they asserted that he was no political prisoner but had committed numerous violent crimes and had had a fair trial and a reasonable sentence.

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

South African President P.W. Botha had, on a number of occasions, offered Nelson Mandela freedom from prison, if he would only renounce terrorist violence. This Mandela refused to do. - Invictus Idolatry

* The full list of munitions and charges read as follows:

• One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

• One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

• Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

(b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;
(b) the maintenance of law and order;

(c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;
(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;
(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and
(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

[Bad Habit]

glad he's dead- next

[billyjack]

They corrected a caller on NPR today by clarifying that NM never murdered anyone or participated in any violence, he just organized the groups that committed the violent acts and murder. So you apparently can't pin all that nasty business of murdering farmers on him.

Based on that logic, crazy Charlie Manson has clean hands.

African communist with checkered past and extremist ties becomes president, wins Nobel Prize, Bono develops man-crush, his country goes to hell, global media kiss his ass and label him a saint. Why does that sound painfully familiar?

[GMAC]

Yes. he was a terrorist. So were David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin. Not to excuse it. Just to point something out.
You can bet that when De Klerk made the determination that apartheid had to go, and that he was the man to do it, he realized that he needed a black partner. Someone that would stand as the heir apparent to power. For whatever reason, he chose Mandela. I bet there were many secret meetings between them before Mandela was released. Whatever his faults, Mandela, with De Klerk, and then as president, steered South Africa through a potentially very volatile transition, when many blacks wanted violent retribution, and things could easily have gone terribly wrong. As in Rhodesia. South Africa has been a walk in the park compared to that shameful debacle. Mandela deserves a lot of credit for that. Today, SA remains a respectable nation with a strong economy, unlike the collapsed state that is Zimbabwe.

And flying flags at half mast should be reserved for American citizens.

[badfaulkner]

Yes. he was a terrorist. So were David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin. Not to excuse it. Just to point something out.
You can bet that when De Klerk made the determination that apartheid had to go, and that he was the man to do it, he realized that he needed a black partner. Someone that would stand as the heir apparent to power. For whatever reason, he chose Mandela. I bet there were many secret meetings between them before Mandela was released. Whatever his faults, Mandela, with De Klerk, and then as president, steered South Africa through a potentially very volatile transition, when many blacks wanted violent retribution, and things could easily have gone terribly wrong. As in Rhodesia. South Africa has been a walk in the park compared to that shameful debacle. Mandela deserves a lot of credit for that. Today, SA remains a respectable nation with a strong economy, unlike the collapsed state that is Zimbabwe.

And flying flags at half mast should be reserved for American citizens.

Disagree on Begin and Ben Gurion.