New Poll Cat One WMA (please vote)

[BOGSTER]

I like it. I would pay ten bucks a week to put in. I hope those fine gents know how good they had it before the state took that place.

I believe it dawned on them about a year or so before their hunting rights agreement expired.

[scandler]

bog , what would you do for the people in the upstate , myself for example , that put in for one place and one place only , that on the year that my group was to get drawn for the one spot that we put in for , comes up that year as the weekly draw hunt for that year ? how is it fair to the people under your draw system that live 100- 200 miles away ? their are 3700 applications every year that is turned in. if you up the fees as i think would help you might be able to get it back to every other year. is their other places down their other than cat.1 places that you could try you system out on first to see how it would go instead of jeperdizing something that would be hard to turn around once started ? food for thought

[BOGSTER]

bog , what would you do for the people in the upstate , myself for example , that put in for one place and one place only , that on the year that my group was to get drawn for the one spot that we put in for , comes up that year as the weekly draw hunt for that year ? how is it fair to the people under your draw system that live 10- 200 miles away ? their are 3700 applications every year that is turned in. if you up the fees as i think would help you might be able to get it back to every other year. is their other places down their other than cat.1 places that you could try you system out on first to see how it would go instead of jeperdizing something that would be hard to turn around once started ? food for thought

1. You want to hunt WMA-X, but it's up for the weekly draw. So you are distraught because you waited 3 years to hunt his property.
Personally, I say enter the weekly draw for that property....you get SEVERAL chances to be drawn to hunt it.....And use your preference points to hunt another property in the normal draw system. Where is the problem?

2. I don't quite understand your statement regarding driving distance, how is that relevant?

3. 3700 applicants last season. (your numbers, I haven't looked it up)
You do realize that applications are increasing every single year.
ie: Next season may be 4700.....This is decreasing your chance at getting drawn to every 3rd, possibly 4th year.
The following year, it could bump up to 5300 applicants......follow?

4. Increasing the fees is most certainly not the way to approach public draw hunt issues. You can't try to "buy" people from applying to State owned, State funded lands. That is a tax, no matter how you look at it.
Your idea is that if we increase the application fees, maybe some people won't be able to afford the fee, so applications will decrease.....I will not support that.

5. There are no other properties. CatII WMAs are already open to the public, flawed as they may be, they are there and we can utilize them weekly. Taking away properties we already have the freedom to use is not the direction to go.
The idea is to increase opportunity on lands that are under utilized.


And I still cannot understand how we are jeopardizing these properties by doing this.....I have yet to hear a valid reason, based on waterfowl management.

If there is one, please enlighten me.

[MDman]

bog , what would you do for the people in the upstate , myself for example , that put in for one place and one place only , that on the year that my group was to get drawn for the one spot that we put in for , comes up that year as the weekly draw hunt for that year ? how is it fair to the people under your draw system that live 100- 200 miles away ? their are 3700 applications every year that is turned in. if you up the fees as i think would help you might be able to get it back to every other year. is their other places down their other than cat.1 places that you could try you system out on first to see how it would go instead of jeperdizing something that would be hard to turn around once started ? food for thought

Use your preferrence points at another WMA, or better yet, put yourself and your crew down as a no draw. You will be more than guaranteed any date for that WMA the next year. You waited 3 years, whats one more??

You still have 5 more EQUAL chances to hunt that same property that year.

I cant understand some peoples objection to this type of draw. ITS INCREASING YOUR CHANCE TO HUNT, without affecting the pressure.

[scandler]

for some reason it all sounds greedy to me. talk about the chance of getting to hunt the places 3-5 times a year. 3700 app. are put in and only a few are drawn each year. i understand your concept but try this out and tell me what you think.
1. everyone applys as normal.
2. if drawn by apps. then you dont get to apply for weekly hunts ( you have already been selected.)
3. weekly hunt should cost more than 10 dollars. JMO
4. the only way to add more hunters ( you said the places were not utilzed to the full potential) is to add more DNR officers to the areas. ( one of the reasons i think the fees should go up to put more guys on the ground to handle the extra hunters)
so how is this BOSTER ? something for both of us hahah

[BOGSTER]

for some reason it all sounds greedy to me. talk about the chance of getting to hunt the places 3-5 times a year. 3700 app. are put in and only a few are drawn each year. i understand your concept but try this out and tell me what you think.
1. everyone applys as normal.
2. if drawn by apps. then you dont get to apply for weekly hunts ( you have already been selected.)
3. weekly hunt should cost more than 10 dollars. JMO
4. the only way to add more hunters ( you said the places were not utilzed to the full potential) is to add more DNR officers to the areas. ( one of the reasons i think the fees should go up to put more guys on the ground to handle the extra hunters)
so how is this BOSTER ? something for both of us hahah

Where is the greed?
Wanting to have the opportunity to hunt some of the best duck hunting properties in the state more than once every 3 years?
I, You, We, own and fund these properties, and using the term "under utilized" is putting it nicely.

1. Again, the idea is to increase hunter opportunities. Why would you want to limit SC hunters to choosing between the normal draw properties or the weekly draw? I want to hunt my normal draw date, and Luck willing the weekly draw property twice in a single season.... Is that greed? I don't think so.

2. 10.00 isn't a set number, but I think it's a fair start. What would you propose? Remember we all aren't made of money and folks have real bills and financial obligations......And this isn't a pay hunt.

3. I don't agree with you that the only way to increase hunters on properties is to assign more DNR techs on sight. Why is that so? 3-4 techs is plenty, some properties...2.
Why are they needed? Certain properties take hunters differently than others due to terrain, but none of these properties are under-staffed in terms of getting hunters to and from the blinds and check in operations.

[mello_collins]

no.. a lot of people with kids and families find it hard enough to get down as it is. This would only benefit a small group of people that don't want to wait in line like everyone else.

[GobblerHntr]

Leave it be and quit complaining

[BOGSTER]

I'm getting the strong feeling that I'm going to have to record myself giving a powerpoint presentation and post it here in order for some folks to fully wrap their heads around this.

[scandler]

Leave it be and quit complaining

thank you !!!!!!!!!!!! lets leave well enough alone.

[BOGSTER]

"The only thing necessary for ridiculous under utilization of Cat One WMAs to triumph, is for intelligent men with foresight to do nothing..."

Redmond Duck.


He was a smart dude.

[Phone Man]

I dont like the new $20 fee. I think it should be non refundable at least $50. Maybe $75. Keep out the riff raff. Or better yet. Do it like a gator tag. Non refundable 20 bucks and $100 if you get drawn. You have one week to return the $100 or someone else gets picked

[sprigdog]

I dont like the new $20 fee. I think it should be non refundable at least $50. Maybe $75. Keep out the riff raff. Or better yet. Do it like a gator tag. Non refundable 20 bucks and $100 if you get drawn. You have one week to return the $100 or someone else gets picked

Seriously, were talking about shooting 6 ducks possible, in 4 hours.

100$?

The objective has been lost.

Someone explain why these draw hunts on public land are so special?

[Phone Man]

I have no problem paying that if money goes back to ducks. It costs me more than $100 to go hunt gtown by the time i add everything up.

[JABIII]

Let us inject a moment of reality...

In this world to GET anything worth having you must GIVE something in return.

Public hunters WANT something more from the resource. What are they willing to GIVE the resource in return?

Limiting pressure on areas like Santee Cooper for example?

[surfcock]

bog , what would you do for the people in the upstate , myself for example , that put in for one place and one place only , that on the year that my group was to get drawn for the one spot that we put in for , comes up that year as the weekly draw hunt for that year ? how is it fair to the people under your draw system that live 100- 200 miles away ? their are 3700 applications every year that is turned in. if you up the fees as i think would help you might be able to get it back to every other year. is their other places down their other than cat.1 places that you could try you system out on first to see how it would go instead of jeperdizing something that would be hard to turn around once started ? food for thought

You can always put in to just receive your pref point, thereby virtually guaranteeing your spot the following year.

[FBT]

Hunting with friends in a setting like scr, nobody close to you. Maybe kill some wigeon, a few teal and a sprig or two. Beautiful weather, small boats, paddles, handful of decoys.

$100 ain't shit. That shits priceless.

[Phone Man]

Hunting with friends in a setting like scr, nobody close to you. Maybe kill some wigeon, a few teal and a sprig or two. Beautiful weather, small boats, paddles, handful of decoys.

$100 ain't shit. That shits priceless.

My point exactly

[BOGSTER]

Hunting with friends in a setting like scr, nobody close to you. Maybe kill some wigeon, a few teal and a sprig or two. Beautiful weather, small boats, paddles, handful of decoys.

$100 ain't shit. That shits priceless.

My point exactly

100.00 to you "ain't shit" but it very well could be to many others.

I really can't believe that increasing the fees as a means to deter other people from applying has even been brought to the table.

Good grief.

[sprigdog]

Hunting with friends in a setting like scr, nobody close to you. Maybe kill some wigeon, a few teal and a sprig or two. Beautiful weather, small boats, paddles, handful of decoys.

$100 ain't shit. That shits priceless.

Yeah, thats cool. I have been in SCR for 5 straight years. From 2008-12.

It's duck hunting. Seriously, have you not hunted any where else?

I do realize for SC this is good stuff. You get your own pond. Last year, me and a buddy had a great hunt. 5 wigeon and 5 gadwall.

Working ducks flared from near ponds shooting, we witnessed skybusting at its finest, and listened to everyones story about shooting a box of shells and loosing a couple ducks.
Just like everywhere else in the US.

Hunt a draw hunt anywhere else, this aint special. Sorry.