Well one of my former Schools in Standing their ground , LGBT professor terminated

[TJ_11]

I attend AU online for my bachelor's program and chose them because of their faith-based education. I got the email last Tuesday with a pretty good explanation without knowing the "back story". I skimmed over the article, well because they can pick what they want out of the letter for their agenda. This is the section that I believe was important to that decision. This is from AU’s statement and I took it from my email.

"It is important to make clear that there are different expectations and policies relating to our students, to our faculty, and to our staff. Faculty members are charged with teaching through a traditional Christian perspective and accordingly agree to respect and not undermine the University’s Statement of Faith. When a faculty member is unable by conviction or chooses not to do so, the faculty member will be unable to teach in accordance with the University’s religious tenets and therefore forfeits his or her opportunity to teach. It is entirely the faculty member’s choice. Selective hiring decisions and performance based on a good fit with an institution’s religious purpose has always been and still is a sacred duty and normal function of a scripturally grounded Christian university."

I see no problem if the professor could not respect the "traditional Christian perspective" and is unable to teach that at a private Christian university with truth. I do not see any discrimination here. The professor at some point disagree with the beliefs and refused to teach to a certain standard. They were let go.




Christians standing up for Christian ethics is a GOOD thing. You can love someone and tell them they are wrong in the same sentence.

This is a great statement. They are not making this a discrimination issue, the professor obviously could not agree to teach to a standard, therefore the conversation was had. (If I interpreted your post correctly.)

Yes Roddie, but when you chose to live in sin and refuse to acknowledge it as such, there lies the problem.

I agree also, their acknowledgment is the issue here.

[tprice]

Some of y’all will argue to the death over the most trivial crap: Turkey ethics, local politics, sports teams. But when it comes to Christian faith you become so limp wristed and tolerant it’s disgusting.

Christians don’t condone sin. If sinners find that offensive, oh well. You are called to be light in a world that loves darkness. Men hate the light because their deeds are done in darkness. John 3.
Christians standing up for Christian ethics is a GOOD thing. You can love someone and tell them they are wrong in the same sentence.


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Well said.

[jwilliams]

I think homosexuality is disgusting, but hate the sin, love the sinner. That’s not a very good way to show Gods love and mercy to this person. This professor will be probably have a job somewhere else by next week and will more than likely forever hate Christians and what Christianity stands and believes in.

If Anderson is a “baptist” or religious school, I certainly agree with them. How can you have a mission statement amd hire someone that goes against the mission statement leading? Otherwise- if the are just a liberal arts school I agree with you

Same principal as the Church allowing lgqbt to be a deacon or youth pastor or leader. Welcom them with open arms and love them, but I don’t want an adulterer drunkard or porn addict or fill in the blank leading in any way

[w33kender]

If you cannot agree with a religious institution’s statement of faith, or fail to comply after initially agreeing, you don’t belong there. Plenty of liberal religious institutions out there. Go find one. Conservative institutions have every justification in telling you to move along.

A gay seeking affirmation amongst religious conservatives has reasoning powers on the same level as men who believe they are women.

[FEETDOWN]

If you cannot agree with a religious institution’s statement of faith, or fail to comply after initially agreeing, you don’t belong there. Plenty of liberal religious institutions out there. Go find one. Conservative institutions have every justification in telling you to move along.

A gay seeking affirmation amongst religious conservatives has reasoning powers on the same level as men who believe they are women.

Bingo. I like Anderson U even more now than I did previously

[Cwaysvt]

Jesus didn’t hang out with sinners, drunks, and tax collectors and the sort to tell them their sinful lifestyles were acceptable. He was there to have them turn from their sins, accept Him as their Savior, and be born again.

Like MM said we are so afraid of calling a sin a sin these days. You can do it without being hateful and in a Christian way.

[tprice]

I attend AU online for my bachelor's program and chose them because of their faith-based education. I got the email last Tuesday with a pretty good explanation without knowing the "back story". I skimmed over the article, well because they can pick what they want out of the letter for their agenda. This is the section that I believe was important to that decision. This is from AU’s statement and I took it from my email.

"It is important to make clear that there are different expectations and policies relating to our students, to our faculty, and to our staff. Faculty members are charged with teaching through a traditional Christian perspective and accordingly agree to respect and not undermine the University’s Statement of Faith. When a faculty member is unable by conviction or chooses not to do so, the faculty member will be unable to teach in accordance with the University’s religious tenets and therefore forfeits his or her opportunity to teach. It is entirely the faculty member’s choice. Selective hiring decisions and performance based on a good fit with an institution’s religious purpose has always been and still is a sacred duty and normal function of a scripturally grounded Christian university."

I see no problem if the professor could not respect the "traditional Christian perspective" and is unable to teach that at a private Christian university with truth. I do not see any discrimination here. The professor at some point disagree with the beliefs and refused to teach to a certain standard. They were let go.



This is a great statement. They are not making this a discrimination issue, the professor obviously could not agree to teach to a standard, therefore the conversation was had. (If I interpreted your post correctly.)


I agree also, their acknowledgment is the issue here.

Thanks for sharing

[raybird]

good thing everyone has a right to do what they want.

there ain’t nothing more accepting and welcoming than a Southern Baptist…..until
they find out your gay or a jew.

maybe bob jones and anderson can united for a southern baptist homophobic and racist convention.

[w33kender]

Homophobia is not a strong argument.

They have gay marriage. Even Jerry Falwell was an outspoken critic of unfair housing and hiring and refusing health benefits.

I support gay marriage. I also support religious separation via institutional and individual conscience.

[JimmyD714]

Homophobia is not a strong argument.

They have gay marriage. Even Jerry Falwell was an outspoken critic of unfair housing and hiring and refusing health benefits.

I support gay marriage. I also support religious separation via institutional and individual conscience.

Homophobia is such a stupid term anyway. Nobody is afraid of gays.

[Duck cutter]

Homophobia is such a stupid term anyway. Nobody is afraid of gays.

[JimmyD714]

Jesus didn’t hang out with sinners, drunks, and tax collectors and the sort to tell them their sinful lifestyles were acceptable. He was there to have them turn from their sins, accept Him as their Savior, and be born again.

Like MM said we are so afraid of calling a sin a sin these days. You can do it without being hateful and in a Christian way.

And all this ridiculous desire to be "inclusive" is what led to the churches in Greenville that literally have drag queens preach. It's disgusting.

We need to stop being worried about being called the list of buzzwords the Left throws around to describe anyone they disagree with. Refusing to stand firm on something you believe in is for cowards. I'm a lot of things, some good, some bad, but I refuse to be a coward.

Good on AU, they did the right thing.

[huntinghagen#12]

AU is private, right? If so, I have no problem with it.

If it’s public, I’m against it.

[TJ_11]

They are private.

[jwilliams]

good thing everyone has a right to do what they want.

there ain’t nothing more accepting and welcoming than a Southern Baptist…..until
they find out your gay or a jew.

maybe bob jones and anderson can united for a southern baptist homophobic and racist convention.

Jew? They need Jesus too. The Word says to
The Jews I will bless those who bless you and curse those who
Curse you. I don’t know many God fearing believers that will slander a Jewish person. Very few support Israel the way the Christian coalition would.

[Bigtimber2]

Don’t go ruining narrow world views. Especially those about Jews.

[WhitewaterDuck]

Some of y’all will argue to the death over the most trivial crap: Turkey ethics, local politics, sports teams. But when it comes to Christian faith you become so limp wristed and tolerant it’s disgusting.

Christians don’t condone sin. If sinners find that offensive, oh well. You are called to be light in a world that loves darkness. Men hate the light because their deeds are done in darkness. John 3.
Christians standing up for Christian ethics is a GOOD thing. You can love someone and tell them they are wrong in the same sentence.


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As a Baptist school, I'm sure that alcohol consumption is a problem in their eyes as well. All sins, excluding blasphemy, are equal in the eyes of the Lord; why wouldn't they be equal in the eyes of any human? I'm sure they tolerate professors consuming alcohol; I'm equally sure they would have a problem with a professor that showed up to class hammered off their buckets or who developed a sotty reputation amongst the bars in town.

With all of that said, we have no clue as to what all went down between this professor's hiring and firing. Maybe this professor was openly promoting homosexuality. I simply don't get why there is no pushback on "pride" month or anything to do with "pride" events. I'm heterosexual; I'm not proud of it, because I didn't sacrifice anything to obtain it, and I did not earn it. It is what it is. I'm happy about being heterosexual, and I'm glad I'm not homosexual, but I'm not "proud" of it. So, all these "Pride" events seem to me to be nothing more than sponsored excuses to get out and have PDAs and promote a fringe minority abnormal behavior. When I am at work, I do not promote my heterosexuality...I actually keep my personal life and private life as separated as humanly possible; I have a sneaking suspicion that this professor didn't/doesn't tote the same philosophy.

Regardless, there are reasons more numerous and varied than we can imagine that that might be tied to this person's orientation that was causing unnecessary upheaval at the school, and I'll bet there is more to it than the professor simply being gay. But if that truly is the only reason they fired her/him, it is a private institution, and it is their prerogative.

[Luvin' Labs]

As a Baptist school, I'm sure that alcohol consumption is a problem in their eyes as well. All sins, excluding blasphemy, are equal in the eyes of the Lord; why wouldn't they be equal in the eyes of any human? I'm sure they tolerate professors consuming alcohol; I'm equally sure they would have a problem with a professor that showed up to class hammered off their buckets or who developed a sotty reputation amongst the bars in town.

With all of that said, we have no clue as to what all went down between this professor's hiring and firing. Maybe this professor was openly promoting homosexuality. I simply don't get why there is no pushback on "pride" month or anything to do with "pride" events. I'm heterosexual; I'm not proud of it, because I didn't sacrifice anything to obtain it, and I did not earn it. It is what it is. I'm happy about being heterosexual, and I'm glad I'm not homosexual, but I'm not "proud" of it. So, all these "Pride" events seem to me to be nothing more than sponsored excuses to get out and have PDAs and promote a fringe minority abnormal behavior. When I am at work, I do not promote my heterosexuality...I actually keep my personal life and private life as separated as humanly possible; I have a sneaking suspicion that this professor didn't/doesn't tote the same philosophy.

Regardless, there are reasons more numerous and varied than we can imagine that that might be tied to this person's orientation that was causing unnecessary upheaval at the school, and I'll bet there is more to it than the professor simply being gay. But if that truly is the only reason they fired her/him, it is a private institution, and it is their prerogative.

I only read your first paragraph and I'm pretty sure you have no clue. AU and North Greenville are pretty comparable universities in the upstate. NGU has a no alcohol policy for staff and students. I'm not saying it's never broken by the staff, but if the school knew of it they can terminate. I'm sure AU has very close the same standard.

[tprice]

I only read your first paragraph and I'm pretty sure you have no clue. AU and North Greenville are pretty comparable universities in the upstate. NGU has a no alcohol policy for staff and students. I'm not saying it's never broken by the staff, but if the school knew of it they can terminate. I'm sure AU has very close the same standard.

Been many years ago but when I was at AC (And College at the time) there was no alcohol allowed , did not mean we did not have it in the dorms but if caught with it you were expelled I am sure NGU is same , Central Wesleyan (now Southern) was same way but I did not live on campus there.

Funny story, when I was at SWU I hung out more with my buddy’s at Clemson rather than those students at SWU. Some of you will recall Bullwinkle’s $.10 draft night. (seems like it was Wednesday ). I was there one night and saw a group of kids from SWU that lived on campus. Still remember Dean of Students showing up and taking DJ’s mic and telling them they all had to return to SWU Still laugh at that one, being a commuter we had different sets of rules (basically none ) and he “suggested” I not be there. Needless to say my response is I am not going anywhere

As for AU I am sure it is in the employees contract what is expected of them and more than likely a “morality clause” that the school used for termination.


Don’t get me wrong, not judging anyone but we knew as students what the rules were and there were consequences if you broke the rules, as it should be for anyone. Both AU and SWU are great schools and I appreciate my time there but if you do not like the rules then do not go or work at any of these

[raybird]

Jew? They need Jesus too. The Word says to
The Jews I will bless those who bless you and curse those who
Curse you. I don’t know many God fearing believers that will slander a Jewish person. Very few support Israel the way the Christian coalition would.

i agree 100 percent but

How well do you know the actions of Bob Jones?

Back in the late 80’s and 90’s Bob Jones went to Israel and recruited some Soccer players. Bob Jones shipped them over here, taught them better english, and gave them full rides for a few years. These players followed all the rules But suddenly
the school realized the men had been raised Jewish in israel(of all places) so they kicked them to the streets and made them homeless!

I was lucky enough to have these men as mentors and coaches growing up, they taught me a lot about hate and the masks it hides behind.