I don't make it down to Backwoods very often but I would call them and schedule a lesson with John Michael. He gets it and can help you work out the bugs. It will be the best money you can spend.
I don't make it down to Backwoods very often but I would call them and schedule a lesson with John Michael. He gets it and can help you work out the bugs. It will be the best money you can spend.
Appreciate the information. My time spent at the range has paid dividends in the field these last couple seasons.
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Delta in a nutshell: Breeding grounds + small wetlands + big blocks of grass cover + predator removal + nesting structures + enough money to do the job= plenty of ducks to keep everyone smiling!
"For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM...has a flavor the protected shall never know."
-L/Cpl Edwin L. "Tim" Craft
OK, I know that you asked WW, but if I may, I would like to interject that shotshell loading is not difficult at all, but you need to stick exactly to the recipe's. Extrapolation can get you into trouble, and with non-compressible shot.....big trouble very quickly. Start with a Sizemaster, and don't even think of loading without a scale to verify all weights. You will be surprised at the quality shells that you can load. You will see how shot hardness, wad compression, load speed, and powder burn rate will all affect pattern density. You will also learn that much of the super whamodyne choke tube market is nothing more than snake oil sold to folks who don't know the basics of shotgunning. Just by changing a load, you can make a factory modified choke, pattern I/C or near full. You will also see that the effect of shot speed on a 90 degree crossing target is VERY small......etc.
Last edited by CWPINST; 01-30-2018 at 08:32 PM.
If it ain\'t accurate at long distance, then the fact that it is flat shooting is meaningless.
This is the truth. Most men think they're born with shooting skills.
I was invited to hunt with a friend and his boys a few weeks back and after we hunted, we went to Backwoods. And as always, it turned into a 4 hour shooting lesson. I never say anything until someone asks for help. As it turns out, one of the boys has been to Backwoods and shot with an instructor there. But he wasn't able to apply what he had previously learned. And he didn't want to listen...at least not until he missed so many targets that he got embarrassed and wasn't having fun anymore. Same for his buddy. That guy had no concept of how to even hold a shotgun, but he made comments earlier in the day that he had occasionally shot "skeet".
One of the first things I have to convince "hunters" of is that starting the gun closer to their shoulder isn't cheating. For some reason, hunters/nonshooters view premounting (starting the gun in the shoulder) or starting the gun close to the shoulder as cheating. And by cheating, I mean, by and large, they think they should start the gun at their belt buckle in order to simulate a hunting situation. In the process of applying this misplaced low gun virtue, they miss a lot of targets.
Another fun and very common habit of the "hunter" at the sporting clays course is to premount their gun and point it down as they call for the bird. Its sort of a quasi-military way of holding a shotgun. This is not quite as bad as starting at their belt buckle, but the outcome is similar.
Once I get them past these particular recipes for missing, the next is convincing them to start their eyes and hands in the correct place for the first target, and then, how and where to transition their eyes and hands for the second target. Using the analogy of hitting a baseball, you don't look at the first basemen and start the bat down at your side when the pitcher begins his wind up. And like I said earlier, in a lot of cases, we have to completely realign everything the shooter is doing from foot position to posture. This is an awkward and traumatic thing for a guy who fell out of his momma with finely tuned marksmanship skills.
These things I'm talking about are fundamentals of shooting and people who aren't involved in clay target shooting know almost nothing about them. If you had to assess your shooting proficiency, how would you score yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being very poor and 10 being excellent?
Last edited by Fish; 02-07-2018 at 10:18 AM.
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I missed a dove last late season
Fish,
Late to the conversation and probably pointless but I am one of the "hunters" who shot sporting clays and did so from port arms and safety on till the gun hits my shoulder. I was brought up bird hunting and conditioned that way. Reason given was when walking in on a covey rise you might just get your feet tangled up in vines or such etc. and shoot someone or the dog by accident. When we shot sporting clays we mimicked hunting, I guess viewed it as practice. I broke around 35 of 50 on the several courses I've shot. No idea if that is good or average but it was high for the groups I was in. I will say I'm probably a 6.
Worship the LORD, not HIS creation.
"No self respecting turkey hunter would pay $5 for a call that makes a good sound when he can buy a custom call for $80 and get the same sound."-NWiles
Noticed SpheroTungsten is on the Ballistics Products site, but only in size 7 shot. I've hammered some ducks with #6 HS in the past, so I can only imagine what a small cloud of little metal pellets of 15 g/cc density would do to a big duck.
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Delta in a nutshell: Breeding grounds + small wetlands + big blocks of grass cover + predator removal + nesting structures + enough money to do the job= plenty of ducks to keep everyone smiling!
"For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM...has a flavor the protected shall never know."
-L/Cpl Edwin L. "Tim" Craft
Scoters are not puddle ducks. They shake off stuff that would blow a puddle duck in half. When I hunt sea ducks I usually use BB's cheap stuff too with a modified choke unless its from a layout boat where I may use Improved Cylinder. The reason for shooting cheap stuff is you will burn up a lot of ammo on crippled sea ducks and that could get expensive quick. Save the Hevi Shot for something else.
Call buck run sports and order HW13 #6s. I have mentioned it several times before. I guess no one believes me.
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Delta in a nutshell: Breeding grounds + small wetlands + big blocks of grass cover + predator removal + nesting structures + enough money to do the job= plenty of ducks to keep everyone smiling!
"For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM...has a flavor the protected shall never know."
-L/Cpl Edwin L. "Tim" Craft
Oh I can imagine. I've been shooting HeviShot for years and will never go back to steel if I can help it. I'm on a vendetta to start doing handloads for my 16ga before duck season.
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Delta in a nutshell: Breeding grounds + small wetlands + big blocks of grass cover + predator removal + nesting structures + enough money to do the job= plenty of ducks to keep everyone smiling!
"For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM...has a flavor the protected shall never know."
-L/Cpl Edwin L. "Tim" Craft
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