Released Mallard Hunts

[NannySlayer]

voted option 3.
but with a stipulation that the hunt "sight" be enclosed, ensuring no entry of wild fowl or released birds escape.
(forgive me if this is how tower hunts operate, its public land only for me)

I have thought about the enclosed "hunt" but I am not sure how that would be accomplished. If you want to shoot deer in a fence or release ducks, fine. But keep those shit eating things in your place.

On second thought, fuck it. Make them figure out how to enclose their place.

I voted 1... It may not be easy to tell the difference between wild and release mallards but you can tell release mallards from every other species. If you get caught with wild ducks you should be heavily fined and if it keeps happening you should lose your "privilege" to release the shitty things

[LB1]

Please forgive my ignorance and for the record I voted for number 3 but what exactly is the groups issue with the tamie operation? Is it the interbreeding with wild ducks especially blacks and mottled ducks or is it people being pissed that these operations pull wild birds from the other places members hunt that don't release tame mallards? I am in no way advocating for these places but would appreciate the basis for others opinions. I have never had any personal issue with them other than laughing at the "guides" helping their "hunters work and crush the green heads." I certainly do not believe that special limits should be made for them and have a hard time understanding how they can get around federal limits especially if wild birds could mix in.

[Duck Tape]

Much of the discussion centers around how to protect wild birds from being killed in a tamie pond. That is where I struggled when writing a bill.

I doubt a tamie pond hunted twice a week will hold many wild mallards or blacks but it is possible. A neck band identifying tamies is possible but would require banding once the bird is close to maturity. It has merit but adds a layer of resistance to our proposal.

As much as I hate to say it, to pass a bill we need to find a way to coexist with tamies. If they want to be treated differently by shooting more than the federal limit of "mallards" then they must be restricted from wild birds. It is wrong to have it both ways.

A two mallard limit will cause some of the ponds to disappear because they are not attracting wild birds. It will not stop the releasers.

Without the ability to shoot wild birds the better ponds will convert to wild bird hunting once per week.

[mello_collins]

Try to figure out how to keep them from using tamies as live decoys and I am good with it. Tamies should have to be removed from property aka killed each day. Tossed out of a tower to be shot so they can be watched and not fead in the ponds. That is my biggest beef with it. Ducks go to ducks no matter what your decoy spread looks like.

[Duck Tape]

Try to figure out how to keep them from using tamies as live decoys and I am good with it. Tamies should have to be removed from property aka killed each day. Tossed out of a tower to be shot so they can be watched and not fead in the ponds. That is my biggest beef with it. Ducks go to ducks no matter what your decoy spread looks like.

This is true. A flock of coots can ruin your day.

[raybird]

What about the farms like "featherhorn" that lie and claim they don't "release" yet they actually do. Larry and his cronies are the problem. When the tamies release started they were required to put bands on them, then clipped toe, and Now they are buying birds without the toes clipped so they can sell their ocverpriced bullshit hunts to the duck dynasty losers that can now say "we don't release".

I'll show you their birds in a pen this summer if you don't believe me.

[BOGSTER]

This is true. A flock of coots can ruin your day.

Coots can be a MAJOR problem in a corn pond.

[Tater]

Surely you jest...

I absolutely do not jest.

Released mallards are a giant threat to Mottleds and Blacks. ESA protection based on gene dilution will overide any political favors those fucktards can come up with and shut that shit down.

[darealdeal]

I would say an easy solution is identify areas in the state that are important to wild birds. Then make it illegal to allow tamie operations within a certain distance to these areas. This would cut down on the wild population being drawn in...... Then only allow a certain type of harvest of these birds.. I would think the easiest format would be a tower shoot that only allows a few birds at a time to be released thus allowing a more controlled environment for the harvest of the birds and not allowing any or all small risk of any being released into the wild. Obviously making sure these operations report numbers purchase vs numbers harvested. Would also allow us to make changes if the numbers not being harvest vs the number purchased are not close together.....
Would seem tho that only allowing them in certain areas would cut down on numbers of wild populations being harvested as well as decreasing the amount they can harvest and the methods for which they can harvest them in would all but keep the number being released into the wild almost non-existent..... You could also have designated shooters involved in the harvest of these "hunts" meaning guys in areas that would harvest the birds if the group failed to but again having a more controlled release of the birds would almost be certain each bird is taken by the "harvesties".

[Duckman#1]

I would say an easy solution is identify areas in the state that are important to wild birds..

This is how it was shut down in AR. It couldn’t be in a flyway or flight corridor where they would interfere with wild bird

[darealdeal]

This is how it was shut down in AR. It couldn’t be in a flyway or flight corridor where they would interfere with wild bird

I think we could easily identify areas in which are important to the few birds we get and allow them in areas that are not important but with rules and stipulations that will prevent captive birds from reaching wild birds. Also I feel that the overall effect of this would (in the end) result in no more captive released birds down the road. Once they realize that they no longer can take wild birds or even in areas in which wild birds are not really present and are limited to the same federal standards everyone else is..... Make it hard press to continue to release birds when most of these areas would either have to relocate or actually improve areas that they are located in!!!!

[Palmetto Bug]

It will still be legal to release mallards as pets and dock ducks. Those ducks will not have clipped toes or bands. What is to stop someone from raising hundreds of ducks every year on their farm pond as "pets" and then turning around and shooting them under fed guidelines as wild birds? Then at the end of the season, all those unshot pets are left to muddy the gene pool with wild ducks. I think this might be some of DT's thinking on allowing extra tamies to be shot to give some advantage to tamie operations to compel them to clip or band their birds. If they are stuck with fed laws for shooting their tamies, why band and have to put up with all these other burdens y'all are dreaming up? Why deal with banding and tower shoots when you could just call them pets and shoot them under fed guidelines?

[mudflat]

After attending my first released quail hunt this weekend, include them too!

[Palmetto Bug]

After attending my first released quail hunt this weekend, include them too!

That would mean the end of dogs trained in this state. You can't train a dog without released birds. And some pen raised birds are better than others and make for a more realistic fake hunt.

[flopduster]

After attending my first released quail hunt this weekend, include them too!

Quail don’t migrate


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[darealdeal]

It will still be legal to release mallards as pets and dock ducks. Those ducks will not have clipped toes or bands. What is to stop someone from raising hundreds of ducks every year on their farm pond as "pets" and then turning around and shooting them under fed guidelines as wild birds? Then at the end of the season, all those unshot pets are left to muddy the gene pool with wild ducks. I think this might be some of DT's thinking on allowing extra tamies to be shot to give some advantage to tamie operations to compel them to clip or band their birds. If they are stuck with fed laws for shooting their tamies, why band and have to put up with all these other burdens y'all are dreaming up? Why deal with banding and tower shoots when you could just call them pets and shoot them under fed guidelines?

Would inclusion of all captive migratory game birds have wings clipped or banded no matter the intention help the pet duck issue?

[mudflat]

If a dock duck migrates, then them wild jeans are telling it too. It's now wild, almost! Some of the same arguments about these ducks pertain to quail, chuckar, pheasants, etc!

[darealdeal]

If a dock duck migrates, then them wild jeans are telling it too. It's now wild, almost! Some of the same arguments about these ducks pertain to quail, chuckar, pheasants, etc!

Would have to be clear in the definition of the game bird these rules apply to. As in migratory game birds........

[Strick9]

1. To release mallards a property must be a licensed RSA. License must be on property at all times.

2. Fine for releasing without permit must have teeth ( discuss).

3. Any individual found on RSA property in possession of wild ducks to be fined per bird as over the limit.

4. All birds released must be both toe clipped and banded.

5. Number of birds released must be logged, Number of birds killed must be logged with penalty for not doing so. All birds to be killed by end of season.

6. Any RSA birds killed on any other private or public waters to not count against the hunters limits in possession of said release birds.

7 Season dates to be same.

8. I believe there is the potential to create a release amount based and regulated upon the shooters request.

9. That no tamey shoot or shooter every be allowed to be filmed or photographed and or presented in a fashion such as to attempt or suggest that the video or photos are of actual duck hunt, actual duck hunters or actual wild ducks. ( Hint this one would end it all).

I am also totally ok with dog piling those who post their tamey pictures on any form of Social Media. I am also leaning more and more towards the same for actual wild duck hunts .

[wskinner]

1. To release mallards a property must be a licensed RSA. License must be on property at all times.
Great points, Strick.

If I may, change mallards to domestically hatched/raised waterfowl.

2. Fine for releasing without permit must have teeth ( discuss).

3. Any individual found on RSA property in possession of wild ducks to be fined per bird as over the limit.

4. All birds released must be both toe clipped and banded.

I think the neck band that was suggested is the best way for hunters to identify domestic from wild, in flight.

5. Number of birds released must be logged, Number of birds killed must be logged with penalty for not doing so. All birds to be killed by end of season.

6. Any RSA birds killed on any other private or public waters to not count against the hunters limits in possession of said release birds.

7 Season dates to be same.

8. I believe there is the potential to create a release amount based and regulated upon the shooters request.

9. That no tamey shoot or shooter every be allowed to be filmed or photographed in a fashion or attempt to suggest that the video or photos are of actual duck hunters or actual wild ducks. ( Hint this one would end it all).

Good stuff here.