Surprised This Hasn't Been Discussed...

**Black Bart** · 07-22-2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gander

Act like a thug, die like a thug. Bet she won't be parking in a handicapped spot in the future. I have no sympathy for the dead cockroach.

Wow. Sounds like you got it all figured out. And the cockroach description is a nice touch. Pot, meet kettle.

Originally Posted by Birddawg

How would you react if you came out of a gas station and some stranger was raising hell with your wife/gf/daughter/mom? Judging from the video and the fact the shooter has a history of making an issue out of this, the shooter should be ecstatic if he doest have some for of a criminal charge stick to him and he is more than likely screwed in a civil case.

What if it was a "thug" raising hell and a white woman in a luxury car? Is that a good shoot? (I have no agenda here it just that these conversations always go this way so I will speed the process up so 2th will have some good reading tomorrow that will start his week on a good note)

Ironically, it's not you who needs to prove you don't have an agenda...

**TheVisorGuy** · 07-22-2018, 12:55 PM

the shooter started the whole ordeal, however in this day and age when you decide to engage someone physically to have to go in understanding that it may be more than just a fist fight.

I stopped a thief at a rural king store a few months ago as he was running out of the store. I had little time to react as I was walking in and saw him coming with the store manager right on his heels pleading for help. I Instinctively clotheslined the guy and as I watched the bottom of his nike air force ones float away from me in mid air I realized that I had possibly made a mistake because he may just get up a shoot me and continue on his way. So I decided it would be in my best interest that I get on top and finish the job. After some ground and pound and a rear naked choke, this delinquent decided it was his best interest to tap out. When it was all said and done it was revealed that he didn't have a gun. After the tongue lashing I received from my wife about what "could have happened" it truly set in on how much danger I put myself and everyone around me in.

Lesson is, I wont be afraid to engage someone physically if its absolutely necessary, however I will thing long and hard before doing so. Some people in this world today shoot first and ask questions later

**ecu1984** · 07-22-2018, 01:00 PM

That didn't justify deadly force in my opinion.
Most people would come to the defense of the woman, even if she was in the wrong. The dead guy probably didn't even know what they were arguing about.
He shoved the guy down, he didn't beat him down and when the old guy drew, the guy looked to be retreating when shot.
Just my opinion, I probably would have drawn on him if larger, younger and stronger than me but think I would have shown a tad more trigger restraint.
Then I would have shot him if he still came at me while gun pointed at him.

**Black Bart** · 07-22-2018, 02:23 PM

Well said. Go 'Cocks!

**Gander** · 07-22-2018, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Birddawg

How would you react if you came out of a gas station and some stranger was raising hell with your wife/gf/daughter/mom? Judging from the video and the fact the shooter has a history of making an issue out of this, the shooter should be ecstatic if he doest have some for of a criminal charge stick to him and he is more than likely screwed in a civil case.

What if it was a "thug" raising hell and a white woman in a luxury car? Is that a good shoot? (I have no agenda here it just that these conversations always go this way so I will speed the process up so 2th will have some good reading tomorrow that will start his week on a good note)

You can stop at if some stranger was raising hell with my wife/GF/Daughter/Mom. No one that fits this category would park in a handicapped parking spot, except for my mom who actually is handicapped and needs a walker to get around. The type of reaction the dead guy came out with is only warranted if there was a sexual assault going on or a robbery.

and I have no idea what you are talking about in the 2nd sentence. What's a good shoot? Why are you even mentioning a white woman in a luxury car?

**Gander** · 07-22-2018, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Black Bart

Wow. Sounds like you got it all figured out. And the cockroach description is a nice touch. Pot, meet kettle

If you park in a handicapped parking spot, you are a cockroach, period. My mother has a handicapped sticker and gets around with a walker. I can't tell you how angry it makes me when my mother finds someone parked in a handicapped spot without a tag and my mother has to park further away.

In this case, the guy appeared to be looking for a handicapped tag, when the cockroach blindsided him with way too much aggression. Totally unwarranted.

**Moonlight Hunter** · 07-22-2018, 08:29 PM

I'm glad I won't be on that jury. I can see reason on both sides. This is a textbook example of how not to escalate a situation, and a textbook example of how not to de-escalate a situation. Unfortunately, someone is dead, and everyone is going to have to live with that.

**MKW** · 07-22-2018, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by ecu1984

That didn't justify deadly force in my opinion.
Most people would come to the defense of the woman, even if she was in the wrong. The dead guy probably didn't even know what they were arguing about.
He shoved the guy down, he didn't beat him down and when the old guy drew, the guy looked to be retreating when shot.
Just my opinion, I probably would have drawn on him if larger, younger and stronger than me but think I would have shown a tad more trigger restraint.
Then I would have shot him if he still came at me while gun pointed at him.

Agreed.

**Luvin' Labs** · 07-22-2018, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by ecu1984

That didn't justify deadly force in my opinion.
Most people would come to the defense of the woman, even if she was in the wrong. The dead guy probably didn't even know what they were arguing about.
He shoved the guy down, he didn't beat him down and when the old guy drew, the guy looked to be retreating when shot.
Just my opinion, I probably would have drawn on him if larger, younger and stronger than me but think I would have shown a tad more trigger restraint.
Then I would have shot him if he still came at me while gun pointed at him.

I think Rick is spot on here.

**ccleroy** · 07-23-2018, 06:41 AM

A simple yes I’’m sorry, I’ll move as I shouldn’t have parked here would have taken care of the whole situation. Looks like the shooter had the same mindset as the ones who parked where they shouldn’t have, fugit! I’ll do what I want!

**Black Bart** · 07-23-2018, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheVisorGuy

the shooter started the whole ordeal, however in this day and age when you decide to engage someone physically to have to go in understanding that it may be more than just a fist fight.

I stopped a thief at a rural king store a few months ago as he was running out of the store. I had little time to react as I was walking in and saw him coming with the store manager right on his heels pleading for help. I Instinctively clotheslined the guy and as I watched the bottom of his nike air force ones float away from me in mid air I realized that I had possibly made a mistake because he may just get up a shoot me and continue on his way. So I decided it would be in my best interest that I get on top and finish the job. After some ground and pound and a rear naked choke, this delinquent decided it was his best interest to tap out. When it was all said and done it was revealed that he didn't have a gun. After the tongue lashing I received from my wife about what "could have happened" it truly set in on how much danger I put myself and everyone around me in.

Lesson is, I wont be afraid to engage someone physically if its absolutely necessary, however I will thing long and hard before doing so. Some people in this world today shoot first and ask questions later

Great story, and good on you.

And you're wife is absolutely correct in her assessment, but it takes a certain type of person (i.e. instinct) to put himself in harm's way on someone else's behalf. Dinner's on me should we ever cross paths.

**Bownut** · 07-23-2018, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Moonlight Hunter

I'm glad I won't be on that jury. I can see reason on both sides. This is a textbook example of how not to escalate a situation, and a textbook example of how not to de-escalate a situation. Unfortunately, someone is dead, and everyone is going to have to live with that.

Not quite everyone.

**2thDoc** · 07-23-2018, 08:13 AM

thanks, birddawg....

**Birddawg** · 07-23-2018, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by 2thDoc

thanks, birddawg....

I'm looking out for ya mang!

**turbo** · 07-23-2018, 08:27 AM

If I'm on a jury, he doesn't hang.

Bad call by all involved. However, when you put your hands on someone, you accept the consequences of such.

**2thDoc** · 07-23-2018, 08:29 AM

i dont even watch these videos.

**turbo** · 07-23-2018, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by ecu1984

That didn't justify deadly force in my opinion.
Most people would come to the defense of the woman, even if she was in the wrong. The dead guy probably didn't even know what they were arguing about.
He shoved the guy down, he didn't beat him down and when the old guy drew, the guy looked to be retreating when shot.
Just my opinion, I probably would have drawn on him if larger, younger and stronger than me but think I would have shown a tad more trigger restraint.
Then I would have shot him if he still came at me while gun pointed at him.

Draw and don't shoot and, then, hide and watch while you catch a brandishing charge.

**wskinner** · 07-23-2018, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by turbo

Draw and don't shoot and, then, hide and watch while you catch a brandishing charge.

Yeah, because brandishing is way worse than murder. Please tell me you don't think someone should die just because they shoved a guy. If he was man enough to be yelling at a woman, he should be man enough to fight with his fists and not pull out a gun.