View Poll Results: What will happen in the after math of Florida?

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  • Nothing, this is part of a free society

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  • Teachers & CWP holders will be allowed to carry on campus

    12 11.76%
  • Jeff Sessions will come take all your black rifles in a mass round up.

    5 4.90%
  • A few tweets and politicians making laws that limit law abiding citizens from 2nd A rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JABIII View Post
    Great time to be in the gun and ammo biz coming again shortly...
    I told my oldest son last night that we need to be scooping up AR parts like last time!
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    My first attempt was school employees concealed carry. It did not pass education sub-committee.

    My second bill required two weeks training. It did not pass education sub-committee.

    My first responder bill passed the house but has not been taken up in the senate.

    I am re-introducing the school security bill requiring training after the school employee has been approved by the principal and school board. I do not expect passage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck Tape View Post
    My first attempt was school employees concealed carry. It did not pass education sub-committee.

    My second bill required two weeks training. It did not pass education sub-committee.

    My first responder bill passed the house but has not been taken up in the senate.

    I am re-introducing the school security bill requiring training after the school employee has been approved by the principal and school board. I do not expect passage.
    what is the push back on it? Do the Dems just say "no" to all things guns? How do they justify not protecting the kids and what do they propose as the answer?
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    I do not think that arming teachers is the answer, especially based on the comments from SR about the issues with it earlier in this thread. Arming teachers has the potential for massive amounts of liability IMO. The true 'solution' to the problem has so many layers that it is not feasible at this point in America. So we are left to try and decrease the ability of the shooters to carry out these style attacks. Some of them (the concert for example) there is simply nothing we can do. But for these school shootings, I think there are a lot of preventative steps that can be taken:

    - As SR said, GOOD SRO's at every school, full time
    - 'Sure up' the defensive capabilities of the actual buildings, including increased security at ingress/egress points
    - Increased training for faculty staff and students

    I also think it would be a good idea for a LE group (I'm sure the FBI probably already does this) to study all of these shooters and compile facts about their lives (family situations, diagnosed mental illnesses, traumatic events, grades, behavioral issues, social status, etc.) and come up with a list of what the shooters have in common. Turn this list into a point system and get schools to have both an academic file (which they already have) and a 'mental health file' for each student that is maintained throughout their education. If a student accumulates a certain number of points (based on shooter traits) whether they are 5 or 18, they are flagged for intervention by guidance counselors/school officials who can evaluate whether LE is also needed to determine if that child has become a threat. Just my .02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck Tape View Post
    I do not expect passage.
    State House have security? Metal detectors? Armed security?

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    In 1994, Congress introduced the Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994, which encouraged each state receiving federal funds for education to follow suit and introduce their own laws, now known as zero tolerance laws.[2] President Bill Clinton signed the Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 into law on March 31, 1994.


    Boy I bet they thought they really did something then. Buncha dumbasses. Hmm, let's compare the school shootings before 1994 & after. Before, 10 school shootings in 227 years. After, 14 school shootings in 20 years.

    I love these nice little signs they put out also.

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    I know this will be an unpopular position. But I do not think that teachers should be armed in the classroom. There is too much risk in little johnny stealing or forcefully taking the weapon from a teacher. Some of these highschool kids are twice the size of their teachers, and most of them are 3 times a sneaky. Plus you insert the heat of the moment, what if Mr/Ms Teacher feels threatened because a fight breaks out, or a kid throws a book in a fit of rage. You have 30 innocent kids in a classroom 20'x20', and a teacher scared to death drawing a weapon. Or Little Johnny gets in a fight, and while seeing red hits Ms. teacher, takes the weapon he knows she has in her purse, and draws it on Little Frankie.

    Limit points of entry, have well equipped and well trained SRO's, stop the threat at the perimeter with more than BS signs like those posted above. For every life saved by an armed classroom, another would be ruined.

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    The issue I have with the current SRO situation is that the most SRO's I've seen at a school is 1. 1......to cover a big ass school. And based off what I've seen, if you can make him have to run at a slow trot for 50 yards, he's finished. And with just one officer there, the shooter knows that all he has to do is tip that guy over and he has free reign for 10-15 minutes.

    Instead of "guards" and armed teachers, why can't we put 2 or 3 (or more for the biggest schools) SRO's at every school and make these officers meet certain physical fitness standards? We aint got the money? Lets cut some of the bullshit out of the budget and make room for it. We don't let the funding problem stand in the way of entitlement programs, government security, aid to africa, and everything else, but we claim we can't scrape up the money to provide a reasonable amount of security and protection for kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars Bluff View Post
    State House have security? Metal detectors? Armed security?
    I question your point all the time, and extend it to all politicians and public figures who claim to be anti-gun. How do they justify being protected by armed escorts, while refusing to extend the same protection to kids? Classic lib theology: "Do as I SAY, and not what I DO."

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    Gov't skoolz can't even properly educate our kids and we expect them to keep tilting at that windmill AND play army.

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    ^silly libertarian
    Ugh. Stupid people piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyTownsend View Post
    Nothing. Pretty much nothing can change without amending good ol No. 2. Research what it takes to amend the constitution, as polarized as the country in terms of political viewpoint I just don't think it can be done. To take the position of new established gun control as a republican is career politician (all of them are) suicide. I feel pretty secure in the fact nothing will become more restricted beyond the what we already have with the nfa. The Share Act made it to the senate but hasn't been brought up since the loon got after them congressmen at the softball game.

    South Carolina may potentially vote on open carry this year correct?
    You might think nothing can change with out them amending the constitution, but you are wrong. Things ruitinely get legislated through the courts. Look how some judge just blocked Trump from revoking Obamas executive order allowing transgenders the military. What you are saying is the way it should be, and not the way it really is now.

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    Not sure there are enough teachers in a school that would feel comfortable with toting a gun and being able to proficiently use it in a high stress situation. It's one thing to shoot targets and maybe hit the broad side of a barn, and another to be able to shoot at someone shooting back all the while avoiding the other twenty or thirty kids in the background.
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    I think it's assumed teachers would be open to packing. Maybe a few around here but the majority of govt school teachers would oppose any guns.

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    Need to scratch the concealed carry idea. Have willing teachers go to criminal justice academy during summer and openly carry just like SROs. Only thing that stops an active armed intruder is another armed individual. Not many would want to do the training or carry, but you could probably get two to three per school especially at the upper grade levels where you have more male teachers and coaches. Add two to three more armed individuals to an existing resource officer, and you have made the school a safer place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbrown609 View Post
    Need to scratch the concealed carry idea. Have willing teachers go to criminal justice academy during summer and openly carry just like SROs. Only thing that stops an active armed intruder is another armed individual. Not many would want to do the training or carry, but you could probably get two to three per school especially at the upper grade levels where you have more male teachers and coaches. Add two to three more armed individuals to an existing resource officer, and you have made the school a safer place.
    I for one think that's a great idea.

    The one argument you always hear is a student will take the gun away from the teacher. A duty holster will help with most of those concerns, plus a full size duty pistol would be much better suited to defend a classroom with compared to a little single stack or j frame that many people concealed carry.

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    Tell who ever it is blocking the bill that their names will be advertised and when a shooting happens again in sc they can expect to be shot also.

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    If y’all think the schools in any state has the money to train teachers to shoot a pistol and train self-defense and make them responsible for the safety and well-being of children in case of a intruder . Y’all lost your damn minds. Their job is too educate .


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    The massive size of many schools does indeed make SRO coverage a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timsmith View Post
    If y’all think the schools in any state has the money to train teachers to shoot a pistol and train self-defense and make them responsible for the safety and well-being of children in case of a intruder . Y’all lost your damn minds. Their job is too educate .


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    I agree.

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