Gun Safe question

**reeltight** · 08-12-2017, 05:01 PM

For those of you that have your gun safe in the house and live on a crawl space, did you brace the floor joist under the house? What about the room over the garage? The gun safe in question is about 400 lbs empty. Floor joist under the house and above the garage are 16" on center. Will I be alright? Don't really have a way to brace the floor in the bonus room without messing up my garage space but I could certainly brace the first floor.

**dhall1693** · 08-12-2017, 05:09 PM

Told my builder this when we where going over the plans, and we are. My past house I didn't but I only have 36 gun.

**charlie horse** · 08-12-2017, 05:27 PM

It aint enough to worry about.

**Highstrung** · 08-12-2017, 05:36 PM

Loaded it would be like two hefty fellas standing in one spot, be it for a long time though. So I guess they could sit.

**charlie horse** · 08-12-2017, 05:39 PM

I have seen a big granite island top sag a floor, but this was an old house and over spanned joist.

**charlie horse** · 08-12-2017, 05:38 PM

Right, think about 6 people at your supper table..

**Kwacker2** · 08-12-2017, 05:39 PM

400 lbs?
Go ahead and buy a bigger safe. You'll need the space eventually, trust me on this.

**reeltight** · 08-12-2017, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kwacker2

400 lbs?
Go ahead and buy a bigger safe. You'll need the space eventually, trust me on this.

I agree with you. This is not much of a safe nor is it the safe I want. However it comes at an almost free price so there's that.

**willyworm** · 08-12-2017, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kwacker2

Go ahead and buy a bigger safe. You'll need the space eventually, trust me on this.

This is one of the dumbest general statements I see people make on this matter. I have 7 long guns and yes I'll expand at some point, but not enough to outgrow a 24 gun safe any time in, well, my lifetime. 870 is my work horse, O/U 12GA is my skeet, dove and, now that I bought more thin wall chokes that are non-tox compatible, it doubles as another duck gun, my .270 is my deer killing machine, but the 16 ga is my favorite. It's also an older gun that I had Briley do the thin wall chokes on and those chokes are non-tox compatible so it'll get some duck hunting time this year too. I did pick up a .22 to start plinking with the kids some and I'll add a cricket here soon. Left a couple more out but you get the picture. I just don't need many more guns, but I want more. I have better things to do with my money, I guess, than build my own personal armory just to admire them cause I sure as hell don't have time to shoot do all. Guess I'm more quality than quantity type of guy. And by some folks' standards the firearms mentioned aren't the highest quality in the world, but they ain't junk either. Like I tell the ole lady, may not be much, but it's mine.

Hell I barely have time to properly use the guns I have like they deserve to be used, so I definitely can't justify buying more. If money were no object then perhaps I could buy all the guns I want.

If you collect guns that's good for you, but not everyone does. So telling every Tom, Dick and Harry with any level of certainty that they NEED a bigger gun safe is just silly.

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**WoodieSC** · 08-13-2017, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by reeltight

Thanks fellas...I'm going to put it in the bonus room.

Now...Fishsticker! come help me move this thing.

If you have any nervous feelings about it, just put some 3/4" plywood down, spanning several joists, and dress it up so it doesn't look obvious.

**Campbeller** · 08-13-2017, 03:30 PM

I braced under mine myself, it weighs 1600 lbs unloaded. I put bracing under the hoist and thru bolted it with threaded rod to the floor

**Campbeller** · 08-13-2017, 03:31 PM

*joist.

**JBtflo** · 08-13-2017, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by willyworm

This is one of the dumbest general statements I see people make on this matter. I have 7 long guns and yes I'll expand at some point, but not enough to outgrow a 24 gun safe any time in, well, my lifetime. 870 is my work horse, O/U 12GA is my skeet, dove and, now that I bought more thin wall chokes that are non-tox compatible, it doubles as another duck gun, my .270 is my deer killing machine, but the 16 ga is my favorite. It's also an older gun that I had Briley do the thin wall chokes on and those chokes are non-tox compatible so it'll get some duck hunting time this year too. I did pick up a .22 to start plinking with the kids some and I'll add a cricket here soon. Left a couple more out but you get the picture. I just don't need many more guns, but I want more. I have better things to do with my money, I guess, than build my own personal armory just to admire them cause I sure as hell don't have time to shoot do all. Guess I'm more quality than quantity type of guy. And by some folks' standards the firearms mentioned aren't the highest quality in the world, but they ain't junk either. Like I tell the ole lady, may not be much, but it's mine.

Hell I barely have time to properly use the guns I have like they deserve to be used, so I definitely can't justify buying more. If money were no object then perhaps I could buy all the guns I want.

If you collect guns that's good for you, but not everyone does. So telling every Tom, Dick and Harry with any level of certainty that they NEED a bigger gun safe is just silly.

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Maybe, but you typically never regret going larger if you can swing it. A gun safe can hold more than guns too. Important papers and other documents can also consume space. I know my safe is now too small, but I was restricted on size because of where it was placed.

**Bownut** · 08-13-2017, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by willyworm

This is one of the dumbest general statements I see people make on this matter. I have 7 long guns and yes I'll expand at some point, but not enough to outgrow a 24 gun safe any time in, well, my lifetime. 870 is my work horse, O/U 12GA is my skeet, dove and, now that I bought more thin wall chokes that are non-tox compatible, it doubles as another duck gun, my .270 is my deer killing machine, but the 16 ga is my favorite. It's also an older gun that I had Briley do the thin wall chokes on and those chokes are non-tox compatible so it'll get some duck hunting time this year too. I did pick up a .22 to start plinking with the kids some and I'll add a cricket here soon. Left a couple more out but you get the picture. I just don't need many more guns, but I want more. I have better things to do with my money, I guess, than build my own personal armory just to admire them cause I sure as hell don't have time to shoot do all. Guess I'm more quality than quantity type of guy. And by some folks' standards the firearms mentioned aren't the highest quality in the world, but they ain't junk either. Like I tell the ole lady, may not be much, but it's mine.

Hell I barely have time to properly use the guns I have like they deserve to be used, so I definitely can't justify buying more. If money were no object then perhaps I could buy all the guns I want.

If you collect guns that's good for you, but not everyone does. So telling every Tom, Dick and Harry with any level of certainty that they NEED a bigger gun safe is just silly.

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That works for you, for now. When you have several nice scoped rifles (even different calibers for different things), that you don't want banging into each other, shotguns and rimfire rifles, not to mention dad and grandad's heirlooms, or you children start getting their own guns, it fills up quick. They shouldn't be stored like golf clubs. These folks are just speaking from experience, trying to save someone else the pain of having to do it again. Also, if you're working so much that you can't enjoy them, look for a job that pay's more, while requiring less time. You can't take that money with you either.

**Steelin' Ducks** · 08-13-2017, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by willyworm

This is one of the dumbest general statements I see people make on this matter. I have 7 long guns and yes I'll expand at some point, but not enough to outgrow a 24 gun safe any time in, well, my lifetime. 870 is my work horse, O/U 12GA is my skeet, dove and, now that I bought more thin wall chokes that are non-tox compatible, it doubles as another duck gun, my .270 is my deer killing machine, but the 16 ga is my favorite. It's also an older gun that I had Briley do the thin wall chokes on and those chokes are non-tox compatible so it'll get some duck hunting time this year too. I did pick up a .22 to start plinking with the kids some and I'll add a cricket here soon. Left a couple more out but you get the picture. I just don't need many more guns, but I want more. I have better things to do with my money, I guess, than build my own personal armory just to admire them cause I sure as hell don't have time to shoot do all. Guess I'm more quality than quantity type of guy. And by some folks' standards the firearms mentioned aren't the highest quality in the world, but they ain't junk either. Like I tell the ole lady, may not be much, but it's mine.

Hell I barely have time to properly use the guns I have like they deserve to be used, so I definitely can't justify buying more. If money were no object then perhaps I could buy all the guns I want.

If you collect guns that's good for you, but not everyone does. So telling every Tom, Dick and Harry with any level of certainty that they NEED a bigger gun safe is just silly.

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So basically your wife told you you could not get a bigger safe?

**Kioti** · 08-13-2017, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by willyworm

This is one of the dumbest general statements I see people make on this matter. I have 7 long guns and yes I'll expand at some point, but not enough to outgrow a 24 gun safe any time in, well, my lifetime. 870 is my work horse, O/U 12GA is my skeet, dove and, now that I bought more thin wall chokes that are non-tox compatible, it doubles as another duck gun, my .270 is my deer killing machine, but the 16 ga is my favorite. It's also an older gun that I had Briley do the thin wall chokes on and those chokes are non-tox compatible so it'll get some duck hunting time this year too. I did pick up a .22 to start plinking with the kids some and I'll add a cricket here soon. Left a couple more out but you get the picture. I just don't need many more guns, but I want more. I have better things to do with my money, I guess, than build my own personal armory just to admire them cause I sure as hell don't have time to shoot do all. Guess I'm more quality than quantity type of guy. And by some folks' standards the firearms mentioned aren't the highest quality in the world, but they ain't junk either. Like I tell the ole lady, may not be much, but it's mine.

Hell I barely have time to properly use the guns I have like they deserve to be used, so I definitely can't justify buying more. If money were no object then perhaps I could buy all the guns I want.

If you collect guns that's good for you, but not everyone does. So telling every Tom, Dick and Harry with any level of certainty that they NEED a bigger gun safe is just silly.

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You started an argument about how many guns somebody needs instead of giving input on safes. And a 24 gun safe is not really a 24 gun safe, at least not when your're talking about rifles.

**willyworm** · 08-13-2017, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kioti

You started an argument about how many guns somebody needs instead of giving input on safes. And a 24 gun safe is not really a 24 gun safe, at least not when your're talking about rifles.

I can definitely agree that 24 gun safe can't really accommodate 24 guns nicely. As for my point, I think you missed it. I didn't start any argument about how many guns a person needs. That's a judgement call each man has to make for himself. I merely stated my opinion on the size of the safe he needs, which differed from the other fellers' apparently.

And I actually did offer input on the matter. He don't need to get a gargantuan safe because y'all filled reel's head with the thought that he needed a larger safe than he actually does.

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**jasonw** · 08-12-2017, 06:21 PM

I recently built with the intent of putting the safe upstairs. Builder ran it past engineer and they put twice as many floor joists under the room where safe was planned. I had him plan for 2500lbs. Your safe might be 400lbs now, but ammo is heavy. Have an engineer review your floor plans to be safe.

**Duck cutter** · 08-12-2017, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by jasonw

I recently built with the intent of putting the safe upstairs. Builder ran it past engineer and they put twice as many floor joists under the room where safe was planned. I had him plan for 2500lbs. Your safe might be 400lbs now, but ammo is heavy. Have an engineer review your floor plans to be safe.

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