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    Doesn't this effectively make a short barreled AR a non NFA item so long as it has a "brace" on it instead of a butt stock.

    Can I just ordered a KAK Shockwave and a 10.5" barrel now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mergie Master View Post
    Doesn't this effectively makes a short barreled AR a non NFA item so long as it has a "brace" on it instead of a butt stock.

    Can I just ordered a KAK Shockwave and a 10.5" barrel now?

    Yes you can
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    I'm getting close to starting my PDW build. BCM 9" 300 AAC upper on a PSA lower, and I'm gonna get that Law Tactical side folding adaptor. Just want something short and handy and STILL ballistically efficient. Which a 9" 5.56 won't be.

    I'll stick to NFA - I like the standard AR stock instead of a brace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Rat View Post
    I'm getting close to starting my PDW build. BCM 9" 300 AAC upper on a PSA lower, and I'm gonna get that Law Tactical side folding adaptor. Just want something short and handy and STILL ballistically efficient. Which a 9" 5.56 won't be.

    I'll stick to NFA - I like the standard AR stock instead of a brace.
    I've been wanting to SBR a couple pistols but can't decide if it's worth the hassle or not. But those law tactical folders are pretty sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Rat View Post
    I'm getting close to starting my PDW build. BCM 9" 300 AAC upper on a PSA lower, and I'm gonna get that Law Tactical side folding adaptor. Just want something short and handy and STILL ballistically efficient. Which a 9" 5.56 won't be.

    I'll stick to NFA - I like the standard AR stock instead of a brace.
    Is 12.5" 5.56 about the shortest length to be ballistically efficient within 100-150 yds or so?
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    Depends on who you talk to and probably what load you shoot. I think a lot of bad guys have been shot to good effect with MK18's beyond that distance, though. It's not optimal, but it can work, obviously. I just would rather have a couple more inches and get a shade more velocity, a bit less muzzle blast, and more reliability. BCM says that 11.5" is the lowest they personally recommend. I went 12.5...
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    So, what is the choice pistol brace to order and from where?
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    I have both Sigs and several Shockwaves. I prefer the Shockwave. Thorsen makes a nice checkweld for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelin' Ducks View Post
    I have both Sigs and several Shockwaves. I prefer the Shockwave. Thorsen makes a nice checkweld for it.
    I was wondering the same thing as BugBuster, but would the addition of a cheek-weld constitute a modification, which would violate the ATF criteria in their decision?

    Swamp Rat, have you ever tried a linear compensator like this one from Black River Tactical, which appears to get some good reviews for blast and flash reduction.

    http://www.blackrivertactical.com/co...tegory=1799361
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    All mine have SilencerCo Trifecta brakes so I can run my can on 'em.
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    When I went with my 11.5" 5.56 I had the same delema. I decided that $200 to the ATF was more beneficial than $135 for an arm brace. It boils down to function and patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Dick View Post
    When I went with my 11.5" 5.56 I had the same delema. I decided that $200 to the ATF was more beneficial than $135 for an arm brace. It boils down to function and patience.
    This is good advice. I have used a shockwave to test and try new calibers and barrels but when I find something I like it normally ends up with a tax stamp
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    Is using a trust still the best way to go or is going the individual route just as easy now?

    I like my shockwave braces but they don't balance the gun as well as a regular stock would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCsilver View Post
    It should apply to any legal brace, as per previously defined by ATF rulings...that's the way I interpreted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Dick View Post
    When I went with my 11.5" 5.56 I had the same delema. I decided that $200 to the ATF was more beneficial than $135 for an arm brace. It boils down to function and patience.
    According to this article, the ATF letter ONLY applies to SB Tactical products, I.e., the Sig brace...

    There are two main takeaways to this ATF reversal on SB Tactical stabilizing braces. I want to put these right out front so there is zero confusion.

    This ATF reversal only applies to SB Tactical products. All other manufacturers of arm braces are NOT covered in this private letter. This cannot be overstated. The letter only applies to SB Tactical and SB Tactical products!
    The ATF did, indeed, reverse its position with respect to SB Tactical’s proprietary pistol stabilizing braces. Shooting them from the shoulder no longer counts as a “redesign” of the products which previously made them subject to National Firearms Act regulations, i.e. short-barreled rifle. You can now fire an SB Tactical stabilizing brace from the shoulder and NOT be in violation of the law!

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/atf...from-shoulder/
    Dick, I think you make a darn good argument for an SBR.
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    Well fuck if it's on the internet in a gun blog then it must be true
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