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    Quote Originally Posted by surfcock View Post
    If you're gonna regulate it, Georgia's system is a good starting point.

    That said, I'm an advocate for ALL hunting methods. Know this, the antihunters are looking for every means possible to divide us so that their case looks stronger. We have a constitutional right to hunt in this state, but we don't need any more regulations limiting it. It just erodes that right further and further every time we pass another bill.

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    Agreed...if folks would just show some common courtesy and act like they've got some sense when dog hunting, there wouldn't be a problem. Just another situation where the few ruin it for the many.
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    If I were ever gonna dog hunt, it would be with Bizzle. They do indeed do it right, but the bitch wont invite me.....
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    Since moving to the upstate, deer hunting doesn't interest me much. Sitting in a stand on a corn pile or food plot is pretty boring. Hearing that first race crank up in the morning gets my blood going. Using dogs to hunt is a tradition hundreds of years old, its a shame the purist still hunters want to piss on a hunting method older than this country itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLeggedMan View Post
    Since moving to the upstate, deer hunting doesn't interest me much. Sitting in a stand on a corn pile or food plot is pretty boring. Hearing that first race crank up in the morning gets my blood going. Using dogs to hunt is a tradition hundreds of years old, its a shame the purist still hunters want to piss on a hunting method older than this country itself.
    I don't think they want to piss on the method, just the 'dog clubs' that go about it in all the wrong ways.
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    We need more State forest land open to dog hunting like Florida has.

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    I can keep my dogs in a 100 acre block all day long..

    This is just a stepping stone to ban it all together...

    You can thank the Chip Campsens and Charles Ruths for this...
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    Hundred year old traditions have nothing to do with. Slavery was a big tradition too. Being a "Purist" as you say doesn't either. The "Purist" didn't cause the problem. Having zero respect for others and their property and rights has created this situation, and like someone just said, a few will ruin it for the rest.

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    Ban, no, bring some sensible reforms , yes. You dog men better get behind these common sense reforms or a bill to actually ban it will be the next step. Slavery was also a tradition, oneleggedman.

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    If dog hunters want a leg to stand on (see what I did there?), then they need to get rid of the renegade hunters that are doing it on small tracts of land and act surprised when they collect the dogs 3 tracts over. That is what still hunters are tired of.

    Minimum acreage requirements seem like the best way to do that. It's unfortunate, because I think you should be able to do what you want to on your land, but when the actions on your land start to affect what I want to do on my land, then it's a problem.

    I think it should be 1000 continuous acres OR a low fence around the property.

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    Each dog club I have had the pleasure of being a member of kept their dogs in check, zero issues. As much as yall still hunter bitch about dogs running over yalls land, Ive had more trouble with still hunters trespassing and killing deer on our leases.

    Pbiz has hit it on the head this is just a start to ban it all together.

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    Y'all want some reform ehh??

    You sound like the same crop of idiots that push for gun control..

    "We'll, if the gun owners wanted to keep their guns, they'd push to put laws in place to eliminate the "bad kind". "
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBiz View Post
    I can keep my dogs in a 100 acre block all day long..

    This is just a stepping stone to ban it all together...

    You can thank the Chip Campsens and Charles Ruths for this...
    But Biz, its the only way to grow trophy bucks... you should know better. And 100 acres, pfft. apparently 10,000 isn't enough.

    It sucks that the tide has turned against all dog hunters because of the issues we have discussed. The one thing that I always find ironic about this forum is that we love us some government regulation when individually, we are the beneficiaries but, anything other than that and guys on here absolutely lose their minds. What we have is a proposed bill which would regulate what a man can do on his own land. Switch out dog hunting with anything else and yall would be listing reps to call...
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    Your property, dogs, on another persons land without permission is the problem guys. This will go a small distance in helping to alleviate that problem. If Pbiz was the norm instead of the exception we wouldn't be having this discussion for the hundredth time in two years. Logic apparently doesn't go very far in this discussion. Using the argument that this will lead to other forms of hunting is a often used smokescreen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBiz View Post
    Y'all want some reform ehh??

    You sound like the same crop of idiots that push for gun control..

    "We'll, if the gun owners wanted to keep their guns, they'd push to put laws in place to eliminate the "bad kind". "
    The difference between this and gun control is that you can hold the gun owner accountable if they use the gun to commit a crime.

    There are plenty that do it right. But we both know that there are plenty that don't care and say Heybo my dogs can't read. And they refuse to change or even try to do it right because its tradition.

    And those are the ones that are making people say it needs to be banned. So serious question, how do we stop the heybo's without punishing everyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckman88 View Post
    The one thing that I always find ironic about this forum is that we love us some government regulation when individually, we are the beneficiaries but, anything other than that and guys on here absolutely lose their minds. What we have is a proposed bill which would regulate what a man can do on his own land. Switch out dog hunting with anything else and yall would be listing reps to call...
    I referenced that earlier. I don't care what you do on your land until it starts to affect what I can do on my land.

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    I looked a little more and found this. This is way worse than the first one I posted.

    A BILL

    TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING SECTION 50-11-325 SO AS TO DEFINE THE TERM "HUNTING DEER WITH A DOG", TO PROVIDE THAT A PERSON HUNTING DEER WITH A DOG MUST CAUSE THE DOG TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH A COLLAR, TO PROVIDE THE PROCEDURE WHEREBY A LOST DOG IS RETURNED TO ITS OWNER, TO PROVIDE THAT THE OWNER OF A DOG THAT TRESPASSES ON ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY IS LIABLE FOR CIVIL DAMAGES, TO PROVIDE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL TO STEAL, HARM, OR KILL A DOG IN PURSUIT OF A DEER THAT HAS IDENTIFIABLE OWNER INFORMATION OR REMOVE OR DESTROY ANY MEANS OF IDENTIFYING OR TRACKING THE DOG, TO PROVIDE THAT HUNTING DEER WITH A DOG IS UNLAWFUL ON A TRACT OF LAND THAT CONTAINS LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND ACRES UNLESS THE TRACT OF LAND IS ENCLOSED BY A FENCE, AND TO PROVIDE VARIOUS PENALTIES.

    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina:

    SECTION 1. Article 3, Chapter 11, Title 50 of the 1976 Code is amended by adding:

    "Section 50-11-325. (A) For purposes of this section, 'hunting deer with a dog' includes:

    (1) the act of releasing or in any other way causing a dog to attempt to pursue or be in pursuit of deer;

    (2) taking or attempting to take deer by aid of a dog; or

    (3) participating in the pursuit of deer with a dog.

    (B) A person must be considered hunting deer with a dog until the dog owner or his agent regains physical possession and control of the dog.

    (C) Any person hunting deer with a dog must cause the dog to be identified with a collar bearing the dog owner's name and telephone number. A person who violates this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than two-hundred dollars nor more than five-hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

    (D) Any dog in pursuit of deer on property for which the dog's owner does not have permission to hunt that is found without a collar or without the name and telephone number of the owner on the collar may be considered to be 'running at large' and may be impounded under Section 47-3-40 at the request of the property owner.

    (E) Any dog with identifiable owner information that is in pursuit of a deer is not considered to be 'running at large', and if restrained must be treated humanely. Its owner must be notified within twenty-four hours. If the owner of the dog cannot be notified, local authorities must be notified within the same twenty-four hour period. Any dog with identifiable owner information must be surrendered to the owner or his agent. In order to reclaim the dog the owner or his agent must:

    (1) acknowledge ownership of the dog;

    (2) pay the person restraining the dog fifty dollars; and

    (3) furnish to the person restraining the dog the owner's name and address, and identify the property from which the dog originated.

    A person who violates this provision is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than two-hundred dollars nor more than five-hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

    (F) The owner of a dog in pursuit of a deer that enters onto property for which the dog's owner does not have permission to hunt is subject to civil action by the owner of the property onto which the dog has entered. Damages for the first occurrence is one hundred dollars. For subsequence occurrences within three months by the same owner's dog or dogs, damages are two-hundred dollars per occurrence to a maximum of one-thousand dollars. These actions are nonjury matters and the magistrates court has concurrent jurisdiction with the circuit court.

    (G) For five or more occurrences on the same day or more than five occurrences involving the same dog owner within three months, the activity is a public nuisance and the landowner may enjoin the activity and have a cause of action against the dogs, their owners, and the owner of land on which the dogs originated. Liability is established by proof of an intrusion by the dogs. Damages are equal to one-fifth of the current assessed value of the landowner's entire property.

    (H) The prevailing party in any action brought pursuant to this section is entitled to the costs of the action and attorney's fees.

    (I) It is unlawful to steal, harm, or kill a dog in pursuit of deer that has identifiable owner information or to remove or destroy any means of identification or tracking device from a dog. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than five hundred dollars nor more than ten thousand dollars, or imprisoned for not less than thirty days nor more than six months, or both per offense. In addition, each person convicted of a violation of this subsection shall pay restitution to the legal owner of the dog as determined by the court.

    (J) Notwithstanding another provision of law, hunting deer with a dog is unlawful on a tract of land that contains less than one thousand contiguous acres unless the property is enclosed by a fence capable of enclosing dogs used for deer hunting. A person who violates this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than one thousand dollars."

    SECTION 2. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.

    Look at part "E" #2. (Give the person restraining the dog $50 dollars.) Every crack head in the county will be riding the roads picking up any hunting dog they can to try to collect $50. You can pick up a dog anywhere and say he was on your property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uga_dawg View Post
    The difference between this and gun control is that you can hold the gun owner accountable if they use the gun to commit a crime.

    There are plenty that do it right. But we both know that there are plenty that don't care and say Heybo my dogs can't read. And they refuse to change or even try to do it right because its tradition.

    And those are the ones that are making people say it needs to be banned. So serious question, how do we stop the heybo's without punishing everyone else?
    Comprehensive dog hunting reform with high-capacity dog box bans. You have to take the Charles Ruth dog hunting seminar series and a test. If you pass you get a dog box license which you can use to buy a government approved dog box (from a licensed vendor of course).

    In all seriousness, regulation is coming whether it is right or wrong and dog driving will continue to die a slow death. The only area for argument is going to be the contiguous acreage size.
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    This is going to cut out Christmas farm hunts...


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    Quote Originally Posted by duckman88 View Post

    In all seriousness, regulation is coming whether it is right or wrong and dog driving will continue to die a slow death. The only area for argument is going to be the contiguous acreage size.
    Its still alive and well in Georgia. I'd say it will die a slow death IF there isn't any reform.

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    The sad thing is that it isn't just about deer hunting with dogs..

    It has to do with all dogs.

    I wish they would just ban still hunting instead.
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