Westminster for those who give a shit

**fro** · 02-20-2014, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by gundogguru

What you see on TV are the specials type those dogs do nothing but show period. There are a few exceptions but not many. I for one can't figure out why the lab club of America lets the judges and breeders get away with the way labs look like today in the ring. I personally don't like it and will never let one of my dogs get that big just to have it shown.

This is why they never place in this beauty pageant. I had this conversation just last night and wonder if the lab would show better if a well trimmed lab with good lines were entered?

Fat labs suck, period... Its a damn shame to be associated with them as a breed. They may hunt and be good family dogs, but this one here will run laps around all those fat ones and still be looking for more.... and makes a great family dog, er good crow dog, er good hog dog...

DM1 - we might need to hook those two wormy looking labs up for a love making session....

**Duckman#1** · 02-20-2014, 08:29 AM

Actually the dog in the bottom pic I posted was bread last week to a FC AFC out of Wisconsin.

**FEETDOWN** · 02-20-2014, 08:55 AM

Which one D?

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**Duckman#1** · 02-20-2014, 09:08 AM

B Bumble "Stinger" He's on Mike Lardys truck

**WoodieSC** · 02-20-2014, 11:54 AM

gundogguru,

Good points on the parent breed clubs vs. the AKC, although the AKC has turned itself into nothing but a political 'whore club' over the years. They don't give a rat's ass about the various standards and don't try to do anything to control their judges - from a show standpoint.

No, I'm not speaking from personal experience as my wife and I got so fed up from what we were seeing when we first got into obedience and became friends with a couple of 'dual breeders' (tried to breed for field and show combined) that we decided to not get involved with the show circuit.

Also had a Samoyed breeder working for me a number of years ago and the stories he told me about how he 'finished his dog's championships' and how much is cost him was sickening.

**gundogguru** · 02-20-2014, 12:14 PM

Woodie I hate the show ring. And don't like most of the show people. There is more back stabbing with show people and drama than you can imagine.We breed Labs but mine do hunt and are very athletic. Can mine do the same thing that field labs do? For the most part. But mine aren't built like they are. As far as the judges go its all about the politics. Most of the time its whats holding the leash not the dog at the other end. That's pretty much why I don't do the show crap. My wife likes and she is pretty good at it.

**gundogguru** · 02-20-2014, 12:40 PM

ruff.jpg MY black dog Ruff

**WoodieSC** · 02-21-2014, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by gundogguru

Woodie I hate the show ring. And don't like most of the show people. There is more back stabbing with show people and drama than you can imagine.We breed Labs but mine do hunt and are very athletic. Can mine do the same thing that field labs do? For the most part. But mine aren't built like they are. As far as the judges go its all about the politics. Most of the time its whats holding the leash not the dog at the other end. That's pretty much why I don't do the show crap. My wife likes and she is pretty good at it.

I hear ya'. That's pretty much been our experience also, with a couple of exceptions, but they seem to be few and far between.

Likewise with the 'Field Trial Labs'. I've seen many who looked like they were bred from Great Danes, so they're too far the other way.

It's like the Brits have said... "The Brits know how to breed dogs, the Americans know how to train them". There's probably a lot to that statement.

Nice pic. But I can't decide if you've started to look like your dog... or he's started to look like you.

**Duckman#1** · 02-21-2014, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by gundogguru

ruff.jpg MY black dog Ruff

True show dog style looking at the camera and not down the gun to mark off of !

**FEETDOWN** · 02-21-2014, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Duckman#1

B Bumble "Stinger" He's on Mike Lardys truck

Word. They'll probably come out the womb running.

**mjiorle** · 02-21-2014, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by WoodieSC

I hear ya'. That's pretty much been our experience also, with a couple of exceptions, but they seem to be few and far between.

Likewise with the 'Field Trial Labs'. I've seen many who looked like they were bred from Great Danes, so they're too far the other way.

It's like the Brits have said... "The Brits know how to breed dogs, the Americans know how to train them". There's probably a lot to that statement.

Nice pic. But I can't decide if you've started to look like your dog... or he's started to look like you.

I can't go with the Brit quote. The Brit dog games are different from the American, as is their style of hunting. Both sides are breeding great dogs that suit the needs of what their intended for. The style of training is pretty different in many cases as well, therefore adding to the differences in the types of dogs being bred. Very talented trainers in both countries, but different. Besides, the Brit field dogs look much like ours in appearance.