Mud Motors- new poll

[Phone Man]

fact of the matter is if he wants to sit out there and sunbath in the middle of jan in a pink mudrig, he should be able to. No amount of bullshit will change my mind as to what the root of the problem is. Ban em, I don't give a shit, I got plenty of places to hunt when I ever get the chance to go anymore. Wont help anything. Won't bring us more ducks, wont keep rubberheads from running them up wont help aquatic weeds etc. Its no different than obamacare. Forcing something unneccesary on people that don't want it for the few that think it will help or have had their hunts ruined by them. If that's the case I want headlights banned when vehicles are in reverse so I don't get blinded when I back down the ramp in the mornings

[Phone Man]

in addition, that guy has the right to fish that cove if he wants too just as much as you have the right to hunt there. There might be no fish there but there might be no ducks there either. Only way a ban would be fair is to ban everyone just like in the refuge. No entry!! Now how much sense would that make? Aint there enough shit that you gotta keep up with with where you can go and what you can do without adding more to the list.

As far as airboats, how many have yall seen around here. No one is a dealer for them and the ones you do see are specialized for bowfishing mostly. In addition they are VERY EXPENSIVE. your average duckhunter cant just plop down the money for an airboat. A decent mud rig can be had for 2500 bucks. Think about all the mudrigs out there over the state that DNR would lose income for to help pay for that habitat and the salaries of the wardens to enforce our game laws.

[dukhuntr]

Bog he's not my buddy I just meet the fella at the landing several times. I have no clue what he is fishing for or where, that's not what my point was. He has the right as Phone stated to fish where ever and how ever with in the law he wants too, no one should have the right to take that from him MM or not.

How about this Bog lets ban surfing at the wash out on Folly cause people are tearing up the dunes when they park on the side of the road and littering up the beach with their trash because they are to lazy to put it in the trash cans provided. You say thats stupid probably, but remember last summer city council banned alcohol on Folly so lets ban surfing, cause a few , just like they banned alcohol because the dumb asses. Make no sense, I was against that government intervention same as I am against banning MM's.

Maybe that example is clearer for you.

[NO FLY ZONE]

Y'all don't get your panties in a wad. Banning mudmotors will get about as far as banning the mallard release program.

[BOGSTER]

Wont help anything. Won't bring us more ducks, wont keep rubberheads from running them up wont help aquatic weeds etc.

This simply isn't true man. I doubt you will, but if you are truly interested, call and speak to some of the biologists in LA about why so many areas are becoming LAAs. They know that mudboats are detrimental to fragile SAV beds, and they know that the disturbance from them drives ducks off.
SAVs have brought more ducks back to Santee in the last 5 years than anything else. SAVs most certainly bring us more ducks. Mudmotors most certainly will cause the spread of CFH, further damaging and eventually eliminating our native SAV progress. Whether people believe this or not is irrelevant.

in addition, that guy has the right to fish that cove if he wants too just as much as you have the right to hunt there. There might be no fish there but there might be no ducks there either. Only way a ban would be fair is to ban everyone just like in the refuge. No entry!! Now how much sense would that make? Aint there enough shit that you gotta keep up with with where you can go and what you can do without adding more to the list.

I totally agree with this. He has just as much right to the cove as I do. If he gets there first, he can sunbath in his pink boat, or attempt to fish in the 8inch water. I'm not trying to ban entry, nor am I actually actively trying to ban mudmotors, I'm just trying to clear up a crazy misconception that mudmotors don't negatively affect public waterfowl hunting.

Bog he's not my buddy I just meet the fella at the landing several times. I have no clue what he is fishing for or where, that's not what my point was. He has the right as Phone stated to fish where ever and how ever with in the law he wants too, no one should have the right to take that from him MM or not.

How about this Bog lets ban surfing at the wash out on Folly cause people are tearing up the dunes when they park on the side of the road and littering up the beach with their trash because they are to lazy to put it in the trash cans provided. You say thats stupid probably, but remember last summer city council banned alcohol on Folly so lets ban surfing, cause a few , just like they banned alcohol because the dumb asses. Make no sense, I was against that government intervention same as I am against banning MM's.

Maybe that example is clearer for you.

duk, as I stated above, I completely agree with any man's right to fish anywhere on the lakes at any time they wish.
I don't agree with the notion that it's ok to run wide open through shallow, vegetated, secluded sloughs, when it is damaging to the habitat and is harassment towards waterfowl.

There is a very popular surf spot on Folly Beach known as the washout.
For decades parking was free and there were no trash cans set up along this area, and no fence to seperate the edge of the road from the dunes.
People parked all over the place, with many four wheel drive vehicles actually parking sideways on the edge of the dunes........cars and trucks getting stuck there was a daily occurance. Trash was pretty prevalent on and around the dunes in those days.
The town saw this trouble and took action. The council met to propose placing a barrier between the dunes and the edge of the road, to place trashcans along that stretch, and to charge a 1.50 or so to park.

It caused a major uproar among surfers and local beach goers.
There were petitions against all of this set up all over Folly and even into some of the gas stations on James Island. I signed it. I wanted free parking and thought it was ok to squeeze my ZR2 up on the edge of the dunes when I couldn't find a place to park.

Despite the public's efforts, the laws passed and parking meters, trash cans, and a wooden barrier fence was placed.

Now the washout is pretty much trash free, no one parks on the dunes, and there is much more order to the use of the area. No one gets there car stuck, and the city generates more income due to the parking fee.

Just another way to look at it.

[marsh chicken]

Move to china Bog. You would like it there.

[duckman88]

Bog, there is a big difference between Louisiana and South Carolina. You are trying to simplify an argument that cannot be simplified to blame one aspect on one lake system as the reason that ducks are getting pushed off of public hunting grounds.

These issues start in Michigan and heck even ND and Canada and trickle down to lake hartwell and wylie all the way to murray, wateree, then on to marion and moultrie then on to the coast. To say that Banning MMs from Nov. to Feb. (which doesn't make sense to me b/c ducks don't live by months, they live by weather and if you goal is to keep them here or bring them here then you would need a much larger time span if you want the migrating birds to be unmolested) would nothing to "bring more ducks" to SC or to keep them here longer.

[dukhuntr]

Bog I am very aware of situation at Folly. I spent every summer there till I was 20. I brought it up because I figured you would have been against the city councils proposals. I have been to folly but to spread my aunt and uncles ashes after they passed in front of the beach house. You either are missing my points or don't want to admit that government regulation based on a few people being stupid cost everyone else that was being a good citizen(for lack of a better way since I covered several topics).

[Phone Man]

Y'all don't get your panties in a wad. Banning mudmotors will get about as far as banning the mallard release program.

I go commando!!!

[Murray]

Bog I am very aware of situation at Folly. I spent every summer there till I was 20. I brought it up because I figured you would have been against the city councils proposals. I have been to folly but to spread my aunt and uncles ashes after they passed in front of the beach house. You either are missing my points or don't want to admit that government regulation based on a few people being stupid cost everyone else that was being a good citizen(for lack of a better way since I covered several topics).

The government regulation/intervention argument is weak. You could say the same for: banning lead, allowing only 3 shots, limits, etc. Lets save that argument for laws that effect constitutional/privacy rights. The law in question is a matter of protecting a natural resource.

The argument is does banning mud motors protect a resource. AND if so, you have to weigh the benefits to natural resources versus the economic impacts to mud motor dealerships.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this case? I personally don't know.

[B. Burgess]

Y'all don't get your panties in a wad. Banning mudmotors will get about as far as banning the mallard release program.

Agreed


Double B`s Buoy

[marsh chicken]

The government regulation/intervention argument is weak. You could say the same for: banning lead, allowing only 3 shots, limits, etc. Lets save that argument for laws that effect constitutional/privacy rights. The law in question is a matter of protecting a natural resource.

The argument is does banning mud motors protect a resource. AND if so, you have to weigh the benefits to natural resources versus the economic impacts to mud motor dealerships.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this case? I personally don't know.

Your traditional outboards pollute the water and air. Both a natural resource. One could make an argument we should ban those too.

[Mornin Woodie]

For a populous that despises any govt intervention, there sure are alot of folks who want to give up their rights.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Murray]

Your traditional utboards pollute the water and air. Both a natural resource. One could make an argument we should ban those too.

Juice would never be worth the squeeze for that arguement.

Banning mudmotor in certain areas to reduce waterfowl harassment and reduce spread of CFH....Might be worth it. You are going to piss off the MM owners and dealers, but please everyone that has cursed the MM owners.

I like them, wish I had one..

[marsh chicken]

Juice would never be worth the squeeze for that arguement.

Banning mudmotor in certain areas to reduce waterfowl harassment and reduce spread of CFH....Might be worth it. You are going to piss off the MM owners and dealers, but please everyone that has cursed the MM owners.

I like them, wish I had one..

I agree...I'm just citing it as an example. I do believe we need to do a better job as sportsman of holding each other accountable. A fair number of the idiots who run up ducks do so bc they have never been taught the negative consequences. My guess is...they are new to the sport, don't know much about it, have a shitty hunt, and decide running up ducks will at least give them a little entertainment for the day. They don't realize they are doing the harm they do. I understand a number of these folks are just arrogant jackasses and won't listen. But a good number are dying to have someone teach them how to kill ducks. This is a good starting point.

[BOGSTER]

When are you going to start hosting your waterfowl hunting education seminars marsh chicken?

Are you personally gonna take action?

This board is full of arm chair life coaches doling out veteran advice on all things duck, but there is a single handful that actually take action towards progress.

[Magic]

When are you going to start hosting your waterfowl hunting education seminars marsh chicken?

Are you personally gonna take action?

This board is full of arm chair life coaches doling out veteran advice on all things duck, but there is a single handful that actually take action towards progress.

[romeocadet08]

MM are not the problem ....come on Bog you're smarter than that...

So, I guess you will take the leftist approach and stance to the 2nd amendment and want to outlaw firearms as well when some fucking lunatic shoots up the next school with a firearm, huh?

[Magic]

I guess Leupold and Roosevelt were left wing? Not giving this argument the same kind of magnitude those gentleman's consevational ideas were but sometime's it takes us managing ourselves to make a better future.

[JABIII]

I see attitudes have not changed in the 15 years since we started this site.

62% of you identify a problem on public water duck hunting.

However, 58% refuse to entertain the thought of doing something to fix the problem.

Same old story...